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Fred Thompson's confused stance on climate change

Posted by Joseph Romm (Guest Contributor) at 1:17 PM on 08 Sep 2007

fred_thompson.jpgHe's running for president now, so let's revisit Fred Thompson's climate change confusion. He took some standard denier myths and threw in a dash of his own unwarranted sarcasm to create this mishmash on the Paul Harvey radio show:

Some people think that our planet is suffering from a fever. Now scientists are telling us that Mars is experiencing its own planetary warming: Martian warming. It seems scientists have noticed recently that quite a few planets in our solar system seem to be heating up a bit, including Pluto.

NASA says the Martian South Pole's "ice cap" has been shrinking for three summers in a row. Maybe Mars got its fever from earth. If so, I guess Jupiter's caught the same cold, because it's warming up too, like Pluto.

This has led some people, not necessarily scientists, to wonder if Mars and Jupiter, non signatories to the Kyoto Treaty, are actually inhabited by alien SUV-driving industrialists who run their air-conditioning at 60 degrees and refuse to recycle.

Silly, I know, but I wonder what all those planets, dwarf planets and moons in our SOLAR system have in common. Hmmmm. SOLAR system. Hmmmm. Solar? I wonder. Nah, I guess we shouldn't even be talking about this. The science is absolutely decided. There's a consensus.

Ask Galileo.

I thought Thompson was a member of the Churches of Christ, not a heliolater or perhaps a Druid. I have previously debunked this bit of denier disinformation and will expand on the key facts below -- especially his misguided sun worship.

What is saddest to me -- besides the possibility he might actually become president -- is the ease with which this otherwise intelligent man believes the entire scientific community somehow failed to examine the contribution of the sun to recent global warming.

His Law and Order alter ego, D.A. Arthur Branch, would not be so easily duped. He would demand evidence. Here it is:

Mars does appear to be experiencing short-term regional warming, not long-term global warming, as the climate scientists of RealClimate have explained.

Jupiter is not experiencing global warming, but it is poised to experience regional climate change, "getting warmer near the equator and cooler at the poles," as a U.C. Berkeley scientist noted last year.

As for Pluto, an MIT article explains, "Pluto's orbit is much more elliptical than that of the other planets, and its rotational axis is tipped by a large angle relative to its orbit. Both factors could contribute to drastic seasonal changes." One of the scientists involved in the research explained, Pluto's warming was "likely not connected with that of the Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant -- the amount of sunlight received each second -- is carefully monitored by spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be changing the temperature of Pluto" -- or of the Earth, for that matter. "The sunspot record and neutron monitor data," as Realclimate.org explains, "show that solar activity has not increased since the 1950s and is therefore unlikely to be able to explain the recent warming."

This last point is key. The causal link between the Earth's warming and the alleged warming of other planets would have to be solar activity. But a recent study has shown that solar activity, including cosmic rays, are not responsible for recent planetary warming. The study concluded:

Here we show that over the past 20 years, all the trends in the Sun that could have had an influence on the Earth's climate have been in the opposite direction to that required to explain the observed rise in global mean temperatures.

Want more facts? A new debunking website, Skeptical Science, has a nice post on this. They explain that, "The study most quoted by skeptics actually concluded the sun can't be causing global warming." D'oh!

And they list a bunch of other studies dismissing or minimizing the sun's contribution:

  • Foukal 2006: concludes "The variations measured from spacecraft since 1978 are too small to have contributed appreciably to accelerated global warming over the past 30 years."
  • Usoskin 2005: concludes "during these last 30 years the solar total irradiance, solar UV irradiance and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at least this most recent warming episode must have another source."
  • Stott 2003: increased climate model sensitivity to solar forcing and still found "most warming over the last 50 yr is likely to have been caused by increases in greenhouse gases."
  • Solanki 2003: concludes "the Sun has contributed less than 30% of the global warming since 1970."
  • Lean 1999: concludes "it is unlikely that Sun-climate relationships can account for much of the warming since 1970."
  • Waple 1999: finds "little evidence to suggest that changes in irradiance are having a large impact on the current warming trend."
  • Frolich 1998: concludes "solar radiative output trends contributed little of the 0.2°C increase in the global mean surface temperature in the past decade."

Only a pagan would continue to worship at the altar of the sun-explains-everything religion.

This post was created for ClimateProgress.org, a project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

Stupicide

Well, we don't have to worry about global warming.  We're all going to bored to death by old Republican jokes.

Er, Galileo

barely escaped being put to death by the Church. The Earth Centric consensus of the Catholic Church had nothing to do with science or scientists.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world
the problem is

The problem is his comments are the most reasonable of all the republican candidates.
It doesn't get any better than that.   This is the high point in republican science.


McCain

yah, ok, McCain.   Nevermind.

Green Evangelicals

The Return of the Old Gods: A Challenge to Green Evangelicals
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/08/the_return_of_the_ ...

Environmentalism is in all of the schools, and children are being frightened by end-of-the-world scenarios by the prophets of doom while having the Green ethos inculcated in them through letter-writing campaigns and "Earth friendly" checklists. The Environmentalists, heavily financed by left-wing think tanks and environmental-activist organizations, are hurrying to push through Draconian emission standards and to stifle any debate-and that debate is plentiful, indeed.

This is not settled science, nor are scientists in agreement about this matter. Increasingly it is becoming obvious that the 1degree F warming we have witnessed in the last century is related to solar cycles. Many scientists have disagreed with this notion of Anthropogenic Global Warming from the beginning; we had the Statement by Atmospheric Scientists, The Oregon Petition, the Leipzig Petiton, and the Heidelberg Appeal. The U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works has a long list of scientists who have changed from believers into skeptics.




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PLEASE nominate Freddie, PLEASE

The Democrats need a 1932, and Freddie (his given name) Thompson is just the man to deliver it for them.

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the fate of Galileo

It is not clear why Thompson named Galileo at the end of that quote.  Because Galileo "discovered" the Solar System?

I do not know enough about the trial of Galileo to be able to say how close he came to being executed by the Inquisition.  It seems quite possible that had he comported himself more aggressively and disrespectfully, and less cooperatively, he might very well have ended up in a prison, or even put to death.  As it is, it seems the Inquisitors were not so much interested in what he believed, as in what he had already published and might go on to publish.  So he agreed to renounce his Dialogo, and to accept an imposed silence under house arrest.

On the "science" of the persecutors: Given the limitations of empirical evidence prior to Galileo and his telescope, there was nothing unreasonable about accepting the geocentric system described by Claudius Ptolemaeus.  To be sure, that system got a bit tangled when it came to explaining the apparently retrograde movements of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, but not so tangled as to make the whole thing unbelievable.  Copernicus, by hypothesizing a heliocentric system, showed how much easier the math became, for calculating the movements of the planets.  But he did not go so far as to assert that the Sun, not the Earth, was at the center of the planetary system.  Anyway, he had no evidence for that.

Where those old Aristoteliolatrous Catholic doctors, and the hierarchs who believed them, most disgracefully violated scientific reasoning, was in their insisting that the authority of the Bible supports the geocentric system, and only that system, and therefore any promotion of the heliocentric system would be an act of rebellion against the authority of both the Bible and the Church.

They also got bent out of shape by Galileo's observations of "imperfections" in the planetary bodies: the cratered face of the Moon; the phases of Venus; satellites of Jupiter; the "ears" of Saturn.  (I forget if his observations of Mars included anything of that sort, and if he observed the phases of Mercury.)  That reaction of theirs did not have anything to do directly with the Bible, I think.  Rather, I suspect those observations offended against certain hardened cosmological ideas, influenced by Plato and Aristotle, to the effect that the Moon and the planets were created by God as perfect luminary bodies.  Galileo's observations showed that they were not star-like at all, but were unique worlds similar in some regards to the Earth.

I would be interested to know what contemporary Protestants might have thought of all this.  Did they applaud Galileo as a hero for standing up to the Pope and to flawed Catholic doctrine?  Or were they as horrified by his conclusions as the Catholics were?

Chickens deserve our true friendship! So do fish! So do other sentient beings! Let us learn to be kind.

Galileo and it's meaning.

I think what he meant about Galileo is that people who think the evidence is in on Global Warming are the Catholic Priests who prosecuted Galileo.   those who are sceptical of global warming being greenhouse gas caused are as Galileo, standing for true science and skepticism.

politics is decided by the C student.  

Why can we land a man on the moon, but can't . . . (add whatever problem you want to solve here)  

The reason is because when developing the landing on the moon project, they could hire and fire due to competence.  

Not so with politics.  The same failed voters vote the next time.

Amplitude Modulation


Estimation of the solar fraction
and Svensmark factor

http://www.john-daly.com/fraction/fraction.htm

Taking into account the impact of solar variability for global warming, best fit studies have revealed that solar forcing is amplified by at least a factor 4 whereas CO2 doubling should be reduced to less than 1°C.</blockquotes>


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Terms for Thompson

"Helioater?" "Druid/"  I can think of some much more common words.  He sounds like James Inhofe. Clearly, being a snide, illiterate goon is a prerequisite to seeking the Republican nomination.  

Re; Green Evangelicals

to John: instead of relying on proof by bogus references why don't you actually post some of these "Statements" and "Petitions" so we can see what they actually say. Or at least your "long list" of "scientists" who have changed their views.

Sheesh. It never stops from some of these dunderheads.


Not (quite) so fast

The ongoing "Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets" (CLOUD) experiment at CERN (http://public.web.cern.ch/public/Content/Chapters/Spotlig ...) seeks to address the weakness in earlier studies that have investigated the relationship between climate and cosmic rays. As this article (http://npg.nature.com/nature/journal/v443/n7108/full/4431 ...) in Nature states:

. . . for a connection between cosmic rays and climate to be interesting, it does not have to account for the already well-explained climate history of the past 100 years. Even a small effect, to which Earth is only sensitive under some conditions, would be an exciting find. The CLOUD experiment does not have to overturn the consensus of the world's climatologists to be a success; it just has to throw a little light on some physics. "In a nutshell," says Kirkby, "we want to go after the microphysics between a cosmic ray and a cloud droplet or ice particle. How significant are they in the atmosphere, or in certain parts of the atmosphere?"

 . . how significant are they in the atmosphere, or in certain parts of the atmosphere?

These sound like important questions for which there are yet no answers.

You can see more about this here:

Will the Debate on Global Warming Ever be Over?

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