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PETA's dogma is all bark and no bite

Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians

Posted by Grist at 10:34 AM on 14 Sep 2007

This is a guest essay from Alex Roth, a financial analyst, attorney, and environmentalist in Washington, D.C.

Matt Prescott, a spokesperson for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, asserted last month that "you just cannot be a meat-eating environmentalist." PETA's pronouncement is part of a cooperative campaign among a number of animal-rights groups. Their message is that meat production exacerbates global warming.

PETA will lead the charge by dispatching an operative in a chicken suit to tour the country in a Hummer. The group will also deploy billboards nationwide with a mocking cartoon depicting climate-change hero Al Gore eating a drumstick, next to the words "Too Chicken to Go Vegetarian? Meat Is the No. 1 Cause of Global Warming." PETA's recent bleating has attracted substantial attention, including a recent story in The New York Times.

Too chicken to go vegetarian?. Photo: PETA

The group's campaign is based mainly on a United Nations report released last November. That report is about the environmental impact of livestock, but it doesn't examine wild sources of meat, and it notes that some types of meat are more environmentally preferable than others -- poultry is better than beef, for example. PETA also shoves aside the report's conclusion that many of the environmental harms caused by livestock production can be mitigated through better agricultural practices. And in its rush to judgment, PETA snubs the millions of meat-eating environmentalists who encourage such improved agricultural practices by seeking out locally grown, humanely-raised, pasture-fed meat from farmers' markets.

At its core, PETA's recently discovered position on climate change seems to be just a reformulation of its long-held credo that "meat is murder." The extent to which PETA's conclusions on climate change overlap with the U.N. report it cites or any other scientific study appears merely incidental. PETA's willingness to let the ideological tail of its preconceived conclusion wag the dog of science and fact is reminiscent of the Bush administration's own approach to climate change -- an approach any nonprofit public-interest group should hold itself above.

Food choices.

But what is most remarkable about Matt Prescott and PETA's other staff members is not that their statements are misleading and exaggerated. After all, they are correct in their most important claim: Meat production is a major contributor to climate change and other environmental problems. No, what is most astonishing about a person like Prescott is that someone evidently so well-intentioned can simultaneously be so counterproductive and so irritating.

By saying that "you just cannot be a meat-eating environmentalist," Prescott is recycling one of the oldest and stupidest retorts in the history of the environmental movement. I like to call it "the paper napkin defense." It works like this: An environmentalist says something like, "We have to stop dumping toxic chemicals in our water, because it's poisoning children." Then someone who thinks he's very smart counters that you have no right to speak up, because he saw you use a paper napkin, which is made out of trees and will be thrown in the garbage. As illogical and irrelevant as such a response is, haven't you heard it a thousand times?

And now you've heard it again, because PETA's new campaign is exactly in this vein. Environmentalists say we have to stop burning so much coal and gasoline, because fossil-fuel emissions threaten the future of our planet. And Matt Prescott, the Meatless Genius, wants to shout you down because -- admit it -- you ate a chicken Caesar salad last Wednesday.

Of course, most of us carnivorous environmentalists do sometimes eat factory-farmed meat, just as vegans sometimes eat products made from industrial soybeans. In a nation where more than 85 percent of soybeans are genetically modified, while none of them are labeled as such, it's hard to avoid. Likewise, most environmentalists drive cars from time to time, even though we know driving is bad for the environment. This doesn't mean we're not environmentalists -- it means we live in the real world.

These days, climate change is known to be exacerbated by most human activities, from stir-frying tofu to watching videos of endangered baby harp seals. To me, being an environmentalist simply means supporting policies and practices that promote a healthy environment.

Unfortunately, many people mistakenly believe that being an environmentalist means being a shrill, opinionated extremist who tells others how to live their lives. Many associate environmentalism with exaggerated factual claims and an insufferable holier-than-thou attitude. Prescott, whom I admit is an environmentalist, is only perpetuating such insidious stereotypes.

It is these stereotypes that, for the better part of the last decade, have encouraged the public to ignore environmentalists' well-founded warnings about climate change. Only in the last year or so has the problem of climate change begun to receive the widespread recognition it deserves.

And it is at this moment that Prescott and his furry friends parachute onto the scene, with their oversimplified, sensationalist publicity campaign. It's a move that sounds as gimmicky and vacuous and opportunistic as, well, driving a Hummer around the country while dressed in a chicken suit.

The head of PETA...

...pushed this line about global warming on Bill Maher a couple of weeks ago, although without any of the criticism of environmentalists.

I'm with PETA on this one.

I just don't understand how an environmentalist can justify eating meat (which even at its best is vastly wasteful and polluting). This is not a new argument (i.e., it's not just the U.N. report); it's at least as old as Diet for a Small Planet (30+ years), which points out that funneling crops through animals is very wasteful.

I think that www.GoVeg.com/eco does a good job of summing up the arguments.
Click here

Although the U.N. report suggests ways to limit the damage, since none of us has to eat meat, the decision to do so is a decision to place a momentary gustatory pleasure ahead of making the right environmental choice.

I also recommend this piece, which quotes from the U.N. report in more depth:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-friedrich/memo-to-env ...

Check out www.Meat.org & www.GoVeg.com.

PETA is not

an environmental group. It is an animal-rights group, and I think it's important that people are aware of that distinction.

~Holly
A reply from Matt Prescott

Wow! As a long time fan of Grist I feel so honored to have this lengthy piece about me on the web site. Of course, I'm a little dissapointed in the picture it paints of me, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

It might interest some folks to know that my background as an activist is with environmentalism. You name an environmental group and I've probably worked with (or for) them.

In fact, it was my passion for fighting environmental abuses that I became vegan and began working for PETA to promote veganism and vegetarianism full time.

I suspect the author of this story was a little on-edge and perhaps feeling guilty about his meaty ways (hence the shrill tone, which, as a side note, he correctly but ironically says perpetuates negative stereotypes about activists). The fact is, meat IS the number one cause of global warming. The UN found that it contributes more greenhouse gasses than all the cars, trucks, planes, SUVs, Hummers, ships and tanks in the world combined. The UN also found that its a major factor in the "top two or three most significant [environmental] problems, at every level from local to global." The University of Chicago just produced a report saying that switching from a standard car to a hyrbid is less effective at countering global warming than switching from eating meat to being vegetarian.

Moreover, NRDC and Environmental Defense have recently posted information on their web sites about how bad meat is for the environment. Also, did you know that producing one pound of meat is the same (greenhouse gas-wise) as driving a Hummer 40 miles? Or that the meat industry consumes about 1/3 of the fossil fuels and 1/2 the water we use in the US?

Regarding the industrialized soy beans I ate in my veggie hot dog today, which Alex mentions in his article: Its important to note that it takes about 20 pounds (roughly) of those soy beans to produce just one pound of meat. Funneling crops through animals like this is just a highly inefficient way of producing food--no matter where your meat comes from. (On that note, did you know that more than 90% of the Amazon rainforest cleared since 1970 is used for global meat production--whether for grazing or for growing the massive amount of crops that need to be fed to farmed animals?)

Sure, my stir-fried tofu may contribute to global warming, but I choose to stir-fry tofu instead of chicken because let's face it, it does a FRACTION of the environmental damage that meat does (not to mention being better for my health and for animals).

So Alex, like you, I believe that "being an environmentalist simply means supporting policies AND PRACTICES that promote a healthy environment." Which is exactly why I'm vegetarian. If you -- or anyone reading this -- wants more information (including loads of free vegetarian recipes), just check out www.GoVeg.com.

If we, ourselves, can't make changes to help the environment, how can we expect others to?

Thanks.

-Matt Prescott
PETA
 

Don't like PETA but agree

There are lots of reasons to be vegan/vegetarian and one of them is environmental.  The waste that is generated from factory farms is overwhelming.  The idea of the family farm is hardly true in this country and is being used to model farms in other countries now.  No one wants to live near factory farms, which are by far how most meat eaters in this country get their meat. Animal production (so cold, they are living beings) is extremely resource intensive, wasting tons of water and grain that could be used to feed humans.  
I'm not a fan of PETA, I don't like their campaigns for the reasons stated in the article, but I think that being a vegetarian or at least someone that eats very little meat of any kind is vital to the lessening of global warming.  
May I suggest reading Fast Food Nation, or Beyond Beef.  Our farming practices and eating habits are going to be the death of us, as well as, our world.  


Enough already

I am more than a little tired of reading this garbage in grist. I would have given up my subscription a long time ago if it were not for all the other folks that will inevitably agree me with me in subsequent posts. Eating dead animals in this country is bad for the environment, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming. People who disagree simply refuse to face the facts. The climate crisis aside, raising animals for food is incredibly wasteful and destructive. As far as being a carnivorous environmentalist, since humans cannot survive as carnivores, I will assume this guy means omnivorous environmentalists, which is, in fact, an oxymoron.

Like I said, I wish grist would stop publishing such non-sense; I'd expect as much from some right-wing soapbox such as Fox news. As far as, facilitating debate, just like the supposed debate on global warming, there is no debate, eating animals is bad for the environment. Shame on you grist for perpetuating such misinformation and confusion. Kudos to PETA for doing the right thing.

Make you case, Alex

Folks who are still eating meat, fowl, and fish in 2007 remind me a lot of people who used to smoke tobacco way back in the 1980s. Touchy, is how I would describe them.

We now all know just how bad smoking is for you and for everyone around you even though its taken a generation for many people to recognize it.

But instead of all the rhetoric about holier-than-though and the like, let's see a discussion about the reasons why eating animal products is good for people and the planet. If eating animals is a good thing, it may not get me to change my diet, but at least I'll stop encouraging people to eat lower on the food chain. What do you say?

Tom Kelly

Why I stopped being a Vegetarian

I stopped not because I don't like the horrors of factory farming. I do believe that can be improved. But because my dogs and cats eat meat. It made no sense to me to buy expensive brands of dog and cat food (made from high quality ingredients - like Kumpi or Orijen) and then I pull up to the table and eat a salad (or other veggie foods).
From the very beginning, humans have eaten meat. Animals eat meat. It is a cycle of life. Are we to assume PETA will next stop the cougars from killing their prey in Africa? No - it is absurd to think so. Death is not pretty but it is life. We all live...we all die. And we can minimize suffering as much as possible.

I do enjoy veggie cooking and vegan chocolate chip cookies - my favorites - are at the Whole Foods Market. What I do, however, is balance with what is environmentally friendlier and more humane than other options out there.

A few things about PETA that I don't like:
(1) PETA doesn't even want us to own our dogs and cats. Sorry PETA - not following that logic.
(2) PETA wants to ban pit bulls - sorry - not banning a breed for a few bad people out there.
(3) The PETA bus drives up to pick up pets and they have been caught killing them in the vans and not finding them homes. Instead of spending millions on Pam Anderson ads....do some good for the dogs and cats instead of killing them.

So, although PETA makes some very good points, they are not balanced themselves and should really reflect on what they support and don't. You can't have it both ways - don't kill and then kill and call it "humane."

Pet Food Tales

Ridiculous

Statements like this are divisive and totally counterproductive.  This is PETA saying "our cause matters above all others, if you don't agree with us, you might as well burn your trash, drive a hummer and (gasp) have voted for Bush".  

Not to mention they are flat out lying when they say "Meat is the #1 Cause of Global Warming". Nice statistic.  Who is collecting PETA's data?  Pee-Wee Herman and Captain Crunch?  Get real guys.  

I've been a vegetarian most of my life... But I'm not an idiot.  This isn't going to garner PETA any more support and will likely turn a lot of people off.


Meat eating's not all bad

A huge portion of the earth's surface is not suitable for cropping, but is great for growing permenant grass and pasture.  That green stuff can very nicely be converted to usable protien for humans by ruminant animals (cows, sheep, goats etc.).  Eating grass fed beef, lamb, and so forth is not a bad option.  The weathiest and the poorest folks on earth seem to have this option, interestingly.  Not sure how to make it more available to those in the middle... BUT acting as though meat eating per se is terrible is not a very useful strategy, unless you are just trying to establish your virtue in some sort of 'eat your way to heaven/nirvana' approach.

smsweitzer
Waiting...

Likewise, most environmentalists drive cars from time to time, even though we know driving is bad for the environment. This doesn't mean we're not environmentalists -- it means we live in the real world.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how "you just cannot be a car-driving environmentalist" is any different from "you just cannot be a meat-eating environmentalist." How many who say the latter deny the former? My guess: most.

Transportation accounts for the largest and fastest-growing chunk of US greenhouse gas emissions, sez the EPA.

NEWS FLASH: we all agree

"Eating dead animals in this country is bad for the environment, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming. People who disagree simply refuse to face the facts."

None of us disagree with you. Did you read the letter at all?

Vegan=better for the earth, animals, and us

Eating plant-based foods instead of animal-based foods is so much better for the earth, our health, and of course, the animals! It just makes sense to go vegan--everyone benefits.

Touched a nerve

Whoa, is that your guilty conscience talking, Alex?

Obviously, PETA is using hyperbole to make a point. Duh. Any activist group worth its salt does that. And the reason they do it is because it works. Look at how PETA managed to get global warming and animal agriculture's impact on it covered by the New York Times. Seems like they  must be doing something right.

The point is: Animal agriculture--local, regional, global, intergalactic--contributes to global warming and host of other environmental problems on a huge scale. This is a plain fact. But it is one that is being largely ignored by many environmental groups. PETA is absolutely right to point out this glaring elephant on the plate that everyone is trying to nibble around.

You're A Good Man, Grist... but missing the boat

Unlike the folks that are ready to throw in the towel on the Grist cause of their position on this... I know that the Grist is good, just apparently not perfect.

If we don't want to appear strident in our message and play nice-nice, that's fine. But don't slam the message of other groups making solid points just cause they are willing to be more 'in yo' face'.

Yes, PETA would likely be in the top 5 of groups who are consistently willing to be strident and maybe even get extreme to make a point (gotta concede, even if with a chuckle, that a guy in a chicken suit in a Hummer would qualify) but lets face that such methods work.  Or have we already forgotten the strident cries of the Swift Boat campaign?  And those guys weren't even telling the truth (Dole went down about 50 points on my scale with that and he only had about 6 points to begin with).

Anyway, Grist... ummm... stop whining.  In this case, PETA is not only on the 'right' side of the issue - you are looking like total SCHMUCKS for not espousing their point if not their methods.

You can still pick on PETA if you want... but give them their due.  Simply 'minimizing' damage in this area isn't enough.  There is so little that individuals can do while this country elects leaders like Bush.  Each individual needs to start focusing on EVERYTHING they can do... not just the minimum.  I see it all the time with many causes... people going through the motions of the minimum necessary to be politically correct so that they can think of themselves as 'good' and be a bit self righteous.

Guess what? Grist you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing PETA of... being self righteous and judgmental.  Kudos.

Animals do not cause most global warming...

if you go to the official US statistics on carbon emmissions, and look at the diagram on page 15, it will be quite clear that oil, gas and coal generate the vast bulk of GHG's.  I agree that factory farming of cows, pigs, and chickens is disgusting and horribly inefficient and should be shut down, but the facts just aren't there for the ridiculous statement about meat causing global warming.

And second, having a very insulting caricature of Al Gore in an expensive billborad ad is totally ridiculous, and only serves to marginalize PETA more.

Out of line - again!

I'm a lifelong vegetarian, environmentalist, and animal advocate.  I am not a fan of PETA's platform or its methods - but that is a soapbox for another day.
Factory farming is an environmental nightmare.  Small, sustainable, personal farming is not.  It is entirely possible to eat meat and be an environmentalist, if one supports sustainable, humane farming; consumes reasonable (small) quantities; and speaks out against Factory Farming methods.  In fact, it is probably the meat eaters who have the biggest clout in changing the horrendous methods under which most meat is produced! Unfortunately, most of them are uninformed about what really goes on, and most of the rest don't care.

sez the EPA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA....

I have a great friend that works for the EPA.  He's a subscriber to Mother Jones... and got into that path cause of his passionate interests in the environment dating back to the 70s. So yea, he's an old fart now.

He's the most incensed person I've ever seen about the EPA. He stays there hoping he can make some small difference now that he's further up the food chain.  Fact is though, he's DISGUSTED with every report that has come out of the place.  Everything is skewed to facilitate to 'concern du jour'.

So, your logic is that if cars are the number one cause of global warming, we should just throw our hands up and ignore numbers 2-200?

Brilliant.

Environmentalism in the Real World

PETA's failure to highlight the UN report's many suggestions for mitigating the environmental impacts of meat proves that, like Alex said, they are not an environmental group. (At least that is not their primary purpose). I posted recently about this on The Wild Green Yonder.

I think environmentalists need to be pragmatic about this. That doesn't mean giving in to the inevitability of ever growing meat consumption, but it means acknowledging the real numbers on the issue: meat and dairy consumption is projected to grow by 50% globally by 2050, according to the UN Report. Many people in poor countries could use the calories. That is not to say that there aren't other ways to get those calories, but meat will inevitably play a part.

Lets focus on mitigating its impacts, rather than preaching like evangelists about personal consumption habits.

Nelson Harvey

PETA loves Al Quaida

YEP, YEP, YEP... PETA is a bunch of terrorists.  All the government agencies tell us so and we can go on believing it.  Brilliant.

Does ANYONE ever notice political extremism?  Someone comes out with an outlandishly extreme position on something... gets LOADS of publicity cause they are such nuts and are dismissed.  Or are there?  After such campaigns, studies can often indicate that the median position on the subject shifted in their direction.  Maybe to a miniscule degree..but there it is, a shift.

Ingrid Newkirk was quoted (but not nearly so frequently as other quotes) saying that PETA is a PUBLICITY WHORE.  If you put that in the context... the recipe doles out a delightful indication of why their position evolves as it does.

Yes, they also have a point in saying we should all give up our pets.  Sure you love them and I love them...but what about the millions that aren't loved?  Are you selfless enough to contemplate giving up your emotional satisfaction of making something dependent upon you and then thinking you're great for it, long enough to realize the cruelty/neglect that would prevent and eradicate?

Yes, dogs and cats are carnivores (of varying degrees).  Cats are FAR more dependent on meat than dogs.  And guess what, people are NOT AT ALL.  It's purely some sort of elitism to say that 'well meat is expensive and I am not going to feed it to my cats and dogs if I can't eat it too'.  Tradition is NOT the same as Biology.  

Sheesh... do some of your own research sometime instead of just making self serving knee jerk reactions... can't ya?

typical PETA

Don't know why you'd even write this. PETA's methods are not to start a discussion or even pretend to have one. They're methods are just designed to make you feel guilty for not agreeing with them. Well and to get people to write about their extreme stance and tactics so they get even more PR. I certainly hope to never live in a world where PETA's vision for animals comes to pass. Although it would be amusing to see the faces of the people who didn't really realize what they were agreeing to.

obligate carnivores

"Cats are FAR more dependent on meat than dogs."

Cats are obligate carnivores which means they can't survive on anything but meat.

Dogs like humans are omnivores. Show me a vegan that can eat a natural, healthy diet without eating fortified food or taking supplements and maybe I'll change my mind that humans are meant to be omnivores.

A cloud of smug

There's a big logical leap from "Factory farming is bad" to "People who eat any meat don't care about the environment (and probably kick kittens too.)"  What about eating local and organic meat? What about catching it yourself?  What if you eat factory-farmed meat, but you've worked tirelessly to protect large swathes of land?  Some perspective, please.

This strain of self-righteous veganism is really counter-productive.  If you want people to stop eating meat, stop talking down to them and start being helpful.  Bust out the delicious meat-free recipes and take baby steps.  

Encourage people to buy local, organic meat in the meantime.  You're not going to stop industrial farming overnight.  But the people whose dollars actually drive factory farming can be persuaded to put those dollars towards more sustainable practices.  That's a step in the right direction.

That Van Thing...

wow... bringing that up.

Did you ever bother to read the follow up story?  PETA was guaranteeing a HUMANE end for those animals.  There IS a limit to what we can rescue.  5 Million animals die per year cause there aren't enough homes.  do you know that each person in the US would have to have 5 dogs and I forget how many cats (not 5 per household... 5 per person) to eradicate euthanasia as a way of dealing with the 'excess'.

The shelters that PETA visited with that van were using gasing.. yes just like concentration camps... en masse to kill animals. Do you wanna picture that one?  Crowd some animals into a space and assuming fights don't break out immediately you can be sure they will when they panic.  Course that only lasts a few minutes (not a few seconds) as the gas does its grisly job.

PETA took those animals and euthanized them in a way that we have to call humane, if only by comparison.  The poor approach in disposing of the bodies was the bad decision of a young PETA employee.  Not an excuse... just a fact.  Don't confuse what they did and why they were in a position to do it with what happened.

By the way, I lived in the Virginia Beach area at the time... and knew the shelter in NC that was central to the brou-ha-ha.

Burning Bridges

If you think for one second that you are going to convince Americans to stop eating meat you have lost your mind. Yes we should all eat less meat, but when you force this down their throat, no progress will be made. Most likely they will say, look at the wackadoo hippie environmentalists, they are sooo silly. Its hard enough to get normal people to make good decisions about the environment without the "YOUR GOING TO HELL" complex turning the general public against the movement. Promote eating less meat. Calling the typical meat eating American the devil, you will get no positive results. What reaction are you trying to get? What good are you truly doing but beating your chest, look at me I am meat free!! Burning bridges with the meat eaters will only make it harder for us to do the right thing. Maybe just say a chicken nugget has X carbon emission while a Tofu nugget has this. Make your statement positive. This statement from peta makes me wanna go eat a burger. WITH CHEESE!! mmmm cheese.

Um, no.

The stuff you're saying about PETA is just not true. People can check out PETA at www.PETA.org.

Since you can do well on a vegetarian diet, if you choose to eat meat, you're making a bad environmental choice. There's a big difference between the amount of meat you eat vs. your dog/cat, and also between the fact that your cat may have trouble as a vegetarian. You won't.

To minimize suffering as much as possible, adopt a vegan diet.

Check out www.Meat.org to see what eating meat entails.


Check out www.Meat.org & www.GoVeg.com.

Meat is the Number One Cause of Global Warming:

That's according to the United Nations.

Meat causes about 18 percent. All transporation combined causes about 13 percent.

Check out www.Meat.org & www.GoVeg.com.

umm..

"And in its rush to judgment, PETA snubs the millions of meat-eating environmentalists who encourage such improved agricultural practices by seeking out locally grown, humanely-raised, pasture-fed meat from farmers' markets."

It is no more environment-friendly to eat these kinds of cattle than factory-farmed cattle. This kind of farming still damages the environment in the same way the factory farms do: it takes up land, creates huge amounts of waste, emits methane gas, and kills animals. As much as you try to escape the fact, eating meat= harming the environment.

This has been blown out of proportion

I find the "environmentalists do this and environmentalists don't do that" blanket statement ridiculous. "Environmentalist" is a self-identification.

I happen to be a vegetarian. If somebody who was a vegan told me that she perceived my egg-eating as inconsistent with her view of environmentalism: fine. Then we could have a discussion about why I live and eat the way I do, and why she lives and eats the way she does.

But if she came in and said "you obviously aren't an environmentalist, you egg-eater you" that would piss me off. Who are you to tell me that my self-identification is wrong? The very idea of someone else mandating how you see yourself is ludicrous.

No wonder everybody's so pissed off. Imposing your agenda on someone is no way to sway them to your side, or even to get them to respectfully disagree with your point of view. This issue wouldn't be nearly so divisive if we were all a tad more open-minded: willing to let go of the idea that our own way of doing things is the Only Right Way.


I've never understood

Why some of the most good-intentioned bleeding heart environmentalists refuse to believe that animal production produces enormous amounts of greenhouse gases.  Whether that cow or sheep you plan to eat is farting locally, or at some distant factory farm, his methane is warming the earth ounce for ounce a lot more than CO2.  

In the article above, Roth says that PETAs stance isn't fair for those who 1)want to capture their own meat or 2)participate in better agricultural practices.  But the AP synopsis of the Lancet article on meat affecting climate change addresses both of these assertions.  1)Wild is fine, but there isn't enough to go around for the developed world's meat lust. We still would have to cut back significantly.  "The amount of meat eaten varies considerably worldwide. In developed countries, people typically eat about 224 grams per day. But in Africa, most people only get about 31 grams a day."
2) Well, they spell it out.
"Other ways of reducing greenhouse gases from farming practices, like feeding animals higher-quality grains, would only have a limited impact on cutting emissions. Gases from animals destined for dinner plates account for nearly a quarter of all emissions worldwide."  

I don't care for PETAs methods (driving a hummer around the country, while claiming to stump for the environment!) and they are NOT an environmental organization, just an opportunistic animal rights group.  But they are right.  We need to drastically cut back our meat and dairy consumption, as painful as that might be to hear.  Not only would it significantly reduce green house gases, it would free up plenty of hay and corn fields to be real habitat.  Maybe we could reverse some of the habitat fragmentation to some allow animals and plants to shift their range north.  The change is coming.  The question is, how much are we willing to give up to lessen the blow?  Every action counts.  

AP Synopsis of Lancet Article

 Eating Less Meat May Slow Climate Change
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hxSQa9KhHaDXNGyeqOyHHb ...

Lost Me Then

As I chomp down on my chicken cesar salad I wonder if we have lost our collective minds in America. Just like with religion there are those who will question how righteous others are in their beliefs. Are we going to start witch hunts next to determine who is "truly" green and who isn't? If eating meat is the new litmus test then check my name off the green list.

Vicki Stokes
San Francisco, CA

It's ain't just the CO2

if you go to the official US statistics on carbon emmissions, and look at the diagram on page 15, it will be quite clear that oil, gas and coal generate the vast bulk of GHG's.  I agree that factory farming of cows, pigs, and chickens is disgusting and horribly inefficient and should be shut down, but the facts just aren't there for the ridiculous statement about meat causing global warming.

While I'm not going to wade into the debate over the ethics of eating meat, I will contribute this:

Raising farm animals can contribute to greenhouse gas emissions, but not necessarily just because of CO2 emissions.  Large scale factory farms do generate mountains (and lakes) of manure, which can produce nitrous oxides and methane emissions (both much more potent greenhouse gases than CO2).  Ruminants also exhale methane, courtesy of the bugs that live in their guts.

The IPCC has even developed methodologies for estimating greenhouse gas emissions (particularly NOx and CH4) that result from farming and animal husbandry activities.  Apparently they thought it a potentially important enough emissions source to mention it.

Not to bang the drum:  Industrial farming seems at least as dangerous as pissing away fossil fuels to produce electricity or run Hummers.


So what about the delivery

People love to hate PETA, including me.  They're the reason I can't tell most people that I'm vegan.  But no matter who the messenger is, or how it's delivered, it's true. The earth is warming, and we caused it to happen. What are you going to say to your grandchildren in 2050 when they ask you what you personally did to prevent global climate change? Are you going to tell them that someone hurt your feelings, so you decided it would be better to proudly eat your hamburger than participate in real change? Okay, so unpopular PETA was the one to speak up first.  Still, the emperor has no clothes.

Ecology

Grist and PETA both affect a quirky sensibility - make a big deal about what's fashionable.  Whatever. The "top 15" lists are popular with a digital nation that grew up watching David Letterman. Etc.

Meat consumption really is a big deal, environmentally, and Grist would be foolish to ignore this environmental issue.  Likewise, for a group like PETA, meat production is a huge moral issue -  to make a big deal about fur jackets and ignore hamburgers would be pretty idiotic.

Grass-fed local beef production, and free-range chicken living off the fallen fruit and wheat seed heads and various bugs in your backyard - no problem environmental or morally. People living simply in harmony with local ecology, very permaculture.

We really are in desperate straits ecologically, and few Americans know anything real about the food situation because, for one, so few of us have anything to do with food production.  I've heard it said that students should visit a slaughterhouse and a sewage treatment plant as part of their schooling.  Besides that, have a look at "The Final Empire" (just Google it), available free as pfd files on the Web.

Stephen Brown (Sharon, PA)

Can anybody argue with this statement?

"Unfortunately, many people mistakenly believe that being an environmentalist means being a shrill, opinionated extremist who tells others how to live their lives. Many associate environmentalism with exaggerated factual claims and an insufferable holier-than-thou attitude."

So how is this argument helping the environmental cause?

It reminds me of conservative Christians telling liberals that they can't be Christians, and vice versa.

Doesn't help, and does a helluva lot to hurt.

The Global Meat Culture and the Environment


Links to studies
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Diet, Energy and Global Warming - University of Chicago report:
http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~gidon/papers/nutri/nutriEI.pd ... ...

Sustainability of meat-based and plant-based diets and the environment
by David Pimentel and Marcia Pimentel
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/78/3/660S#FN2

Livestock's Long Shadow - U.N. report
http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/ ... ...

The far ranging environmental impacts of global meat consumption -
WorldWatch Institute report
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/1670

World Wildlife Fund: Environmental Impact of Beef

Facts About Beef Inputs & Protein Outputs - Cornell report
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Aug97/livestock.hrs. ...

EarthSave Report: A New Global Warming Strategy:
How Environmentalists are Overlooking Vegetarianism as
the Most Effective Tool Against Climate Change in Our
Lifetimes by Noam Mohr
http://www.earthsave.org/globalwarming.htm

Humans' beef with livestock: a warmer planet
American meat eaters are responsible for 1.5 more tons of carbon dioxide per person than vegetarians every year
By Brad Knickerbocker, staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
from the February 20, 2007 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0220/p03s01-ussc.htm

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Links to websites and articles

Eco-Eating: Eating As If the World Matters:
http://www.brook.com/veg/

The Poor Get Stuffed by George Monbiot
We cannot feed the world's livestock and the world's people:
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2002/12/24/the-poor-get-s ... ...

Meet Your Meat (Narrated by Alec Baldwin)
http://www.meat.org/

Rainforest Destruction: What's Meat Got to Do With It? by Steven Best:
http://www.drstevebest.org/papers/vegenvani/rainforest.ph ... ...

Beyond Beef
http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/reports/beyond.html

Save the World With Your Fork
http://www.celsias.com/2006/11/22/save-the-world-with-you ... ...

Global Warming and Meat Overconsumption:   A Few More
Inconvenient Truths by Kathy Freston
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/a-few-more-in ... ...

The Coming Crisis:  Environmental Disaster, The Global Meat Culture,
And Your Health by Steven Best:
http://www.drstevebest.org/papers/vegenvani/crisis.php

The Case Against Meat: Evidence Shows that Our Meat-Based Diet is
Bad for the Environment, Aggravates Global Hunger, Brutalizes Animals
and Compromises Our Health by Jim Motavalli, E Magazine
http://extreme.trailfire.com/espressoemily/marks/52446

Meat is a Global Warming Issue by Dan Brook, E Magazine
http://www.alternet.org/story/40639/

Warrior for a Healthy Planet by James Faber
http://www.consciouschoice.com/1995-98/cc116/howardlyman. ...

Boss Hog: Rolling Stone report on Smithfield and the pig factory industry
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/12/boss_hog_rollin_1 ... ...

Energy Justice Network: Toxic Hazards Posed by Poultry Litter Incineration
http://www.energyjustice.net/fibrowatch/toxics.html

Veganism in a Nutshell - Bruce Friedrich:
http://www.drstevebest.org/papers/book_reviews/vegannutsh ... ...

Q: Who is behind the rapid extermination of the Amazon forest?
A: American agrobusiness giants, ADM, Bunge, and Cargill are.  See
http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/patzek/BiofuelQA/Materials/ ... ...

The True Cost of Food:
http://www.truecostoffood.org/leaders.asp

So You're an Environmentalist; Why Are You Still Eating Meat?
Short version by Jim Motavalli, E Magazine
http://www.creationsmagazine.com/articles/C84/Motavalli.h ... ...

So You're an Environmentalist; Why Are You Still Eating Meat?
Full version by Jim Motavalli, E Magazine
http://www.alternet.org/story/12162/

The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine on Vegan & Vegetarian Diets:
http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/

The China Study by T. Colin Campbell and Thomas M. Campbell, II:
http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

Mad Cowboy: Plain Truth From the Cattle Rancher Who Won't Eat Meat:
http://www.madcowboy.com/

The Global Leather Trade and the Environment:
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/US_indian_leather?sour ...

Diet for a Small Planet by Frances Moore Lappe'
http://www.smallplanetinstitute.org/

Eating Meat Can Be Good For the Environment!

Making blanket statements about meat being bad for the environment is extremely misleading and I have recently learned that strong arguments can made that some meat diets can be much more environmental than many vegetarian diets.

It is clear that consuming factory farmed animal products is one of the more destructive environmental acts we take part in.  It needs to be made clear however that it is the industrial agriculture methods of livestock management that are the problem not meat and animal products themselves.

I also understand though that eating pasture raised, locally produced animal products  (especially beef)can be one of the most positive environmental actions we can take. As I understand it, such livestock practices actually can contribute positively to energy systems, top soils and stream ecosystems. Small scale livestock farming is also a much more viable form of small scale farming economically (it is less labor intensive, more profitable and more appealing to young farmers) than production for a vegetarian diet.

The higher up the food chain argument saying that meat eating is less energy efficient does not seem to apply to grass-fed beef and other pastured farming. Such practices can actually build up grass diversity as they consume renewable energy that would not otherwise get consumed - effectively sequestering carbon with net energy gains.

By this logic, dollars spent towards supporting this kind of animal husbandry can perhaps make a larger positive environmental impact than spending on a vegetarian diet, while directly challenging the very destructive practice of factory farming.
Though some may still have issues with animal husbandry all together, it also seems that in these practices that the livestock lead quite fulfilling lives.

Small scale animal husbandry is actually the way that most farming around the world has been and continues to be done. It is very much threatened because of subsidies to large scale industrial farming, food aid and "green revolution" programs of the Gates and Rockefeller Foundations, that do tend towards supporting a very destructive vegetarian diet and potentially degrading to both subsistence and "slow food" efforts around the world.

The inputs for industrial agriculture to support even a vegetarian diet are highly energy intensive, on top of the extra travel involved with the seasonal and climatic demands of a vegetarian diet. Many of our organic carrots come from Israel, our apples come from New Zealnd and China, etc.

I also just read that row cropping soy destroys acres of habitat for wildlife, kills the soils and pollutes water systems, not to mention it promotes the development of GMOs....

...But again, it's the industrialized monoculture model that is the problem, not the plants themselves.

Animal products (milk, beef, lamb, etc) that have been raised in on grass, rather than grain, have been proven to have nutritional qualities that actually fight off heart disease and other health related problems usually caused by consuming industrially raised animal products.

For more on the environemetal, economic adn health benefits of pastured meat go to:
http://www.eatwild.com/environment.html

This website illustrates and links to other resources on how grass fed beef agriculture can actually create net carbon sequestration.
I too would assume that razing forests for any agriculture is probably a negative carbon footprint, but reading this site and thinking about it, it seems that razing forests in the tropics versus utilizing natural grasslands to support livestock are very different contexts. In our temperate climate natural grass and forest lands can be managed in a way the support both animals (and humans) and the environment.

Also, in a temperate climate we are probably less likely to be razing land for cattle than for corn and soybeans- which has a negative effect on soil and its ability to sequester carbon.

Going even further the site says:

Increasing pasture land would help reduce global warming

The grasses and legumes found in pasture are highly effective at removing excess carbon dioxide from the air and storing it in the soil as carbon, a phenomenon known as "carbon sequestration." Soils in the grazing land in the Great Plains have over 40 tons of carbon per acre, while cultivated soils have only 26. In recent years, land that had been planted in row crops was allowed to revert back to pasture as part of the US government's Conservation Reserve Program (CRP). The pasture land gained an average of one-half ton of carbon per acre per year during the first 5 years after planting. This means that 18 million tons of carbon were removed from the atmosphere each year as a result of farmers putting over 36 million acres of land into the conservation program.

I have also seen a disection of the UN report on how it grossly underestimates that COs from driving...

Rather than rigid, divisive, solution-driven, single issue advocacy that seems to dominate change efforts, we can look more at promoting and envisioning more localized, diversified food systems that are also healthy and pleasurable.


Style counts

To Matt Prescott: Thank you for joining this conversation.  As an advocate for animal rights, I admire PETA for many things that you people have done over the years, and am glad that you have devoted yourself to promoting vegetarianism and veganism.

Nevertheless, I must tell you, most regretfully, that I deplore PETA's style.  An organization calling itself "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" has a pitifully narrow idea of what ethics means, if they believe that they, the enlightened ones, are entitled to shame, bully and blackmail the uninitiated and unevolved.  One might have thought that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals would want other people to LEARN how to treat animals ethically.  But in order to do that, YOU have to learn how to treat people ethically, patiently, with respect, and not with violence.

On comparing the benefits of switching to a hybrid car to those of switching to veganism, some calculations have been out for a few years.  In "The Way We Eat: Why Our Food Choices Matter," Peter Singer and Jim Mason write (page 240):

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Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin, of the University of Chicago, studied the greenhouse gases emitted by the production of animal products, and concluded that the typical U.S. diet, about 28 percent of which comes from animal sources, generates the equivalent of nearly 1.5 tons more carbon dioxide per person per year than a vegan diet with the same number of calories.  By comparison, an average driver switching from a typical American car to one of the more fuel-efficient hybrids would save 1 ton of carbon dioxide per year -- making the switch to a vegan diet a more effective way of reducing one's contribution to climate change.  (Though it would, of course, be better still to do both.)
>>

They cite New Scientist, 17, December 2005, p. 19,
 www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18825304.800.

To RobFDavis: Yes, PETA's pontificating decrees on euthanizing animals whose lives PETA has decided by its own wisdom are not worth living, e.g. feral cats, homeless cats and dogs, Knut the orphaned polar bear, and the live pitbulls retrieved from Michael Vick's property, amply illustrated by the discovery in trash cans of the bodies of animals killed by PETA workers, are very troubling.  That arrogant, from-on-high attitude has sadly provoked a kind of schism in the animal welfare community.

But on another matter, I do not think you argue well, when you say that because you feed meat to your cats and dogs, it makes no sense for you to deny meat to yourself.  Well, you do what you want, and eat what you want; I shall certainly not criticize you.  But you should realize that the relation of your cats and dogs to meat is entirely different than yours.  They are natural carnivores (the dogs being a bit more omnivorous), and eating meat is for them instinctual.  For us, however, meat is not necessary for our good nourishment; also, we are moral agents, with the capacity to make choices.

Chickens deserve our true friendship! So do fish! So do other sentient beings! Let us learn to be kind.

Vegans do not kill animals????

Eating vegetables kills animals. Anyone who even has a garden knows this. Most of them are just not cute. And not as big.

Now, don't tell me that even hand-picking and smashing bugs is not OK. If you want vegetables you have to fight other living beings for them.  

I have my doubts that there would be half as much of an uproar about the impact on the environment from PETA (or friends) if meat eaters switched to eating insects. This is not about the environment or killing animals - this is about killing animals we can feel for.

Cows do not give milk if they do not have a calf every year. 50% are bulls. So if you consume milk products you can actually calculate pretty well how much beef you should eat to get rid of the bulls.

The evil is not meat-consumption, the evil is meat production designed to produce cheap meat in huge quantities. The tolls on animals and environment are high and should be re-thought and certainly talked about. PETA started a discussion. Well done. I wish it would be honest and include all facts as well as drop the viewpoint that some animals are worth sympathizing for while others are not. The torturous and ecologically damaging living conditions, transport, and slaughter of the animals that are the consequence of modern meat production need to be looked at. If those conditions did not exist, meat consumption would be acceptable from a ethical and environmental point of view.

Karsten PolluteLessDotCom

Point about the Van of Death....

PETA has killed over 14,000 animals they could have helped found homes for with the approx $30 million they rake in each year. Instead, they opt for the cheap way out for these animals. 90% of animals brought to PETA are killed by them. I don't believe people that call PETA believe that is the fate of their pet they can longer take care of, or a stray they believe PETA could help find a good home.

Michael Vick killed far less - and he lost an NFL contract.

PETA kills 14,000 and no one seems to take notice? PETA shouldn't shout "animal rights" and "we have no right to kill them" when they are doctors of death themselves. I guess if they do it then it is fine.

Better programs, better processes, better education, etc... can bring about real change - not million dollar ads with Pam and friends. Use the money wisely and to help, not kill is what I'm trying to get at.

I used to support PETA, but do not any more for 4 reasons:

  1. Funds being used unwisely - marketing campaigns over helping homeless animals
  2. Wanting to ban breeds
  3. Wanting us to no longer have pets
  4. Killing dogs and cats and being hypocrites about it.


Sustainable, schmable

I love all this talk about supporting
"sustainable," "family" farms. Does anyone who says this have any idea how many animals are killed every year to "sustain" America's meat habit? It's something like 25 billion, if you include the billions of fish vacummed out of the ocean (but not including the millions of dolphins, turtles, birds, and other sea animals killed as "by-catch.")25 billion! That's, what, 4 times the human population of the entire planet?

Anyway, the point is, we are eating too much meat to be sustained by "sustainable" farms. We simply have to cut back our meat consumption to put a dent in the vast quantities of resources being wasted.

Oh, and one thing people seem to be forgetting--even "sustainably" raised animals produce manure and methane, and most of them have to be fed grain and other feed, which would be more efficiently used if it were fed straight to humans.


Been there, done that

This controversy over meat-eating environmentalists is hardly new, though this meat-eater's self-justification is rather novel. Our E/The Environmental Magazine addressed the issue at great length in a 2002 cover store entitled, "So You Call Yourself an Environmentalist. Why Are You Still Eating Meat?"
It's posted at http://www.emagazine.com/view/?142&src=
It drew something like 500 letters, our biggest haul to date.

Jim Motavalli
PETA - Attacking Environmentalists Once Again

Documenting the global warming impacts of eating meat and trying to convert folks to veganism as a response is a valid point and as an environmentalist, I have no problem with it being part of the movement.  It will only be a subset of the movement (as converting hook and bullet groups, business leaders, evangelists, and others is far more necessary to stopping global warming and that will not happen with a vegan platform) but it is certainly a good personal change worth organizing receptive enviros into adopting.  But saying you can't be an environmentalist and eat meat, which will alienate most burgeoning enviros is a a clear attack on the environmental movement; just as is PETA's billboard using Al Gore's image.

Of course, that's not new to PETA, which used to run the greenmeanies website urging members to stop contributing to their environmental organizations because those organizations had no stance on using animal testing to assess chemicals toxicity (silly us, we're just trying to get the 3,000 new chemicals created each year to be tested AT ALL, but apparently we're supposed to do the animal rights movement legislative work for them as well).  And then there was their wonderful "charismatic megafauna" billboards by whale watching tour sites - attacking enviros and nature lovers for spending resources on saving the whales.

I've worked in the corporate-responsibility and grassroots environmental movements for a good while now, and from that I've come to see the worth of many ideologically purist groups within the movement.  I'll never live in a purely green designed, zero waste commune, but from communities such as those new ideas and new technologies are born.  But those groups don't attack potential friends all the time, and PETA does.  I doubt many of their members would agree with it if they knew the pattern.  They may donate to PETA to protect the rights of animals, but many also donate to environmental groups because they understand the value of enviros' work as well (namely stopping the mass extinctions engulfing our planet).  It's not the same work, environmentalism is about saving ecosystems and species, not all individual animals, but it is work almost any animal rights supporter can and does get behind.  

I never thought I would issue a call such as this about any group - I believe in having more organizations in the movement, not less, and I've always seen infighting among organizations as the ultimate sin, but PETA has already lauched this  attack with almost every major environmental group, so here it is:

If you are an animal rights supporter and an environmentalist, don't give to PETA.  Not one dime.  Give to the Humane Society instead - they're a legislatively saavy group that gets far more results.  And unlike PETA they don't try to hurt the other causes and movements critical to building a just and sustainable world while doing it.  The road ahead for the world we all want to build is too long and too steep for us to carry PETA any longer.

Yes, don't shoot the messenger

E Magazine covered this back in early 2002 with Jim Motavalli's cover article:

THE CASE AGAINST MEAT
Evidence Shows that Our Meat-Based Diet is Bad for the Environment, Aggravates Global Hunger, Brutalizes Animals and Compromises Our Health.
http://www.emagazine.com/view/?142

In addition to cutting out meat, we should also reject eggs and dairy products. With all the marvelous alternative products that are more environmentally responsible, genuinely humane,  healthier, readily available and reasonably priced, there plainly is no good reason or excuse to continue eating animal products.

If that makes you mad so be it, but don't shoot the messenger, or resort to infantile condescension. It's likely just misdirected anger at one's self for lack of self-discipline.

In addition to being environmentally harmful, consuming animal products causes animal suffering and death. That's the case with conventionally obtained products and "happy meat" (and eggs and dairy products). It also takes a lot more land to produce the latter. (Fans of Michael Pollan's "The Omnivore's Dilemma," read this:
HARD TO SWALLOW
The Atlantic Monthly, B. R. Myers, September 2007
http://www.powells.com/review/2007_08_28.html )

Respect Life - including your own. Go Vegan.
http://www.TryVeg.com

Mary

PETA

Many people replying to this article seem to be attacking PETA on the basis of their so-called "radical" means of protest. To these people, I ask:

Does history remember best those who fought for justice, or the people who sat and did nothing?

Like the quote says: "All my heroes have FBI files"

Humane End

Did you ever bother to read the follow up story?  PETA was guaranteeing a HUMANE end for those animals.  There IS a limit to what we can rescue.  5 Million animals die per year cause there aren't enough homes.  do you know that each person in the US would have to have 5 dogs and I forget how many cats (not 5 per household... 5 per person) to eradicate euthanasia as a way of dealing with the 'excess'.

My wife works in a no-kill animal rescue that has over 1500 animals currently. They are mostly cats and dogs but there are horses and other farm animals as well as a few abandoned raptors. They have never had to kill an animal because they "don't have room". If someone dropped off 100 animals tomorrow, they would create room, build them shelter and take them in for as long as they wanted to live. Of course they have a $2 Million yearly budget and a couple hundred acres of land to support this. However, I am sure there are other similar shelters of varying degrees to help find home for the animals that had to be "humanely put to death".

Hmmm...

Has anyone been in a calm, unexcited debate about vegetarianism?  I find them quite rare, and this article is no exception.  Any of the scores of issues brought up in the comments above could be the basis of long debate, so I'll just weigh in on the article.

Basic points in the article:
 * PETA went too far by calling meat-eating environmentalists non-environmentalists.  Fair point, but this is what PETA does - it's their strategy to ignite debate.  There are other organizations out there making calmer, less incendiary arguments - but I doubt you've heard of them.
 * Eating meat isn't as bad as they say it is.  No, it's as bad as they say it is.  Sure, it doesn't have to be that bad - you can eat only meat that gathered its food from the wild.  But other than non-farmed fish, most people in the US never run across this kind of meat.  Just as it's a bad argument that ethanol can be made only from fallen fruit that wouldn't be used anyway (whereas in reality most is from farmed corn), saying it's ok to eat meat because it could be farmed in sustainable ways is a bad argument.
 * Eating meat doesn't make you a non-environmentalist.  I agree.  I encourage people to live as greenly as possible.  But everyone needs to find a happy balance.  


Attacking PETA?

Someone stated many were attacking PETA - I may be one of those in reference....but I call it like I see it....if they are being hypocrites then I will call them on it. I would hope someone would do the same for me in order for me to change my behavior as warranted.


PETA and eating meat

I'm in agreement with this blogger. Climate change is not so much about eating meat, which humans are anatomically designed to do, but about factory farming practices and using 20 times the resources to produce meat as what it yields in calories. It's the massive quantities of meat that Americans produce and consume that create both environmental and health problems. I think PETA's philosophy is,in general, ethnocentric and anti-human, and I think they do harm to the sustainable culture movement and environmentalism with stupid ads like the Gore billboard.

Bong Hits 4 Jesus
What Manure!

Uh, manure is a good thing. Makes plants grow. You know, a significant component of compost. Just thought I'd remind you.

Bong Hits 4 Jesus
LOVE it!

Clap, clap, clap, clap. Bravo, Matt! As a PR professional I LOVE your statement about meat-eaters not being environmentalists!

Have you seen the way the site lit up? Kudos to both you and Grist for picking such a hot topic.

Keep doing what your doing.

Best,
OsoEco

2 addendums

  1. I am not associated with Humane Society, nor do I know anyone who works for them.  I gave them as an example as I respect their abilities.  They might not be happy about being cited this way, but they are in my opinion a far better group at getting results for the animal rights cause.

  2. Thinking about it, I don't like my call for folks to never again give to PETA.  I modify that call to withholding 1 contribution this and telling them why you are doing so.  The problem with PETA is they are only tactical thinkers - really the amount of people  the environmental is converting to become conscious of their personal ecological impact is a huge opportunity for them to then convert a percentage of those folks to their cause of veganism.  But they only think at the level of tactics; those tactics being shock and controversy.  And thus they damage the overall future their members want as well as their own cause.  PETA members need to use a respectful amount of pressure to make them change course and embrace a more positive, and longer-term a more productive approach to engaging the environmental movement.


My Reasoning

Concerning my reasoning on stopping my vegetarian ways - I enjoy sharing a roasted chicken with my dogs. I know you may not understand...but it is my reason....I had one of my dogs die of cancer in 2005....one of the things I had stopped doing was eating meat at the time....do I wish I could go back and purchase him a roasted chicken and have fun sharing with him? Yes I do...before I stopped eating meat we used to do that several times a week. Dinners are about bonding. So I eat meat now and share with my other dogs as well. Could I have just bought the roasted chicken and gave to them and not eaten? Of course - but the chicken is already dead and my dogs enjoy the sharing as much as I do.

I do believe I make moral choices everyday....I can attempt to be as humane as possible by purchasing grain fed and cage free chickens and eggs. I can also petition my representatives to pass humane killing laws for animal farms and producers. I can support organizations that help animals in need. These are things we can do that can minimize animal suffering. Some of us, however, will minimize the suffering more than others.

7 to 1

I like to say that for each person that buys from a breeder, they kill 7 puppies,

Now that is probably not even true, but it gets the point across that as long as people support/buy from breeders instead of a shelter, dogs WILL unnecessarily die.

For anyone who is going to purchase a dog from a breeder, I suggest you first go to a local shelter and watch them put dogs down. Really watch. Look in the dog's eyes and watch them take their last breath.

PETA

Here, Here! Thank you Alex for your smart words. I so agree with your sentiment about the drum-beating environmentalists. Comments such as "you can't be a meat-eating environmentalist" are seriously destructive. I know so many people who don't really get on board with the whole "green" thing, because they are afraid that they'll have to give up meat, wear hemp shoes and never use paper towels again. It's not the way to motivate people into action. Instead, the message should be "one change makes a difference - by all means go on eating you filet mignon but why not make sure it's grass-fed" or "by all means, wear your fancy non-organic clothes, but have you thought about perhaps buying one organic t-shirt?". People are open to making small changes and should be encouraged to do so if we want the green movement to go mainstream. Comments such as the stupid one you mentioned, only serve to marginalize environmentalists.

Gorgeously Green
Hunting and Fishing

Broad sweeping statements and campaigns are offensive to counter culture individuals.I run a "Green" store, I am a stout advocate of toxic reduction and anti-big Pharma. I also hunt deer with a bow, which I use all meat, fat, hide etc. and I fish. This supplies my family and friends with necessary protein, essential for some people for chemical balance. Get away from such statements in the name of one cause, only in unity will we achieve a true peaceful and healthy planet.

Surfing the Web

Contributes to global warming.  You cannot surf the web and be an environmentalist...?  In fact, it's probabaly easier to eat meat (which does require murdering an animal) without contributing to global warming than it is to read this explosion of posts wihtout sending up the temperature.

Save the planet, kill a tree...

Paradoxes abound in this mixed up world of ours.  That's what makes it so much fun.  Now I'm going to go get me a free range burger and turn this blasted thing off.

KC

PETA is NOT an animal rights group

First of all, PETA is NOT an animal rights group.

Supporters of animal rights want to abolish animal use for any purpose. We do not promote "humane" animal slavery.

"The Philosophy of Animal Rights" by Tom Regan
http://www.cultureandanimals.org/animalrights.htm
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The other animals humans eat, use in science, hunt, trap, and exploit in a variety of ways, have a life of their own that is of importance to them apart from their utility to us. They are not only in the world, they are aware of it. What happens to them matters to them. Each has a life that fares better or worse for the one whose life it is.

That life includes a variety of biological, individual, and social needs. The satisfaction of these needs is a source of pleasure, their frustration or abuse, a source of pain. In these fundamental ways, the nonhuman animals in labs and on farms, for example, are the same as human beings. And so it is that the ethics of our dealings with them, and with one another, must acknowledge the same fundamental moral principles.

At its deepest level, human ethics is based on the independent value of the individual: The moral worth of any one human being is not to be measured by how useful that person is in advancing the interest of other human beings. To treat human beings in ways that do not honor their independent value is to violate that most basic of human rights: the right of each person to be treated with respect.

The philosophy of animal rights demands only that logic be respected. For any argument that plausibly explains the independent value of human beings implies that other animals have this same value, and have it equally. And any argument that plausibly explains the right of humans to be treated with respect, also implies that these other animals have this same right, and have it equally, too.

It is true, therefore, that women do not exist to serve men, blacks to serve whites, the poor to serve the rich, or the weak to serve the strong. The philosophy of animal rights not only accepts these truths, it insists upon and justifies them.

But this philosophy goes further. By insisting upon and justifying the independent value and rights of other animals, it gives scientifically informed and morally impartial reasons for denying that these animals exist to serve us.

Once this truth is acknowledged, it is easy to understand why the philosophy of animal rights is uncompromising in its response to each and every injustice other animals are made to suffer.

It is not larger, cleaner cages that justice demands in the case of animals used in science, for example, but empty cages: not "traditional" animal agriculture, but a complete end to all commerce in the flesh of dead animals; not "more humane" hunting and trapping, but the total eradication of these barbarous practices.

For when an injustice is absolute, one must oppose it absolutely. It was not "reformed" slavery that justice demanded, not "reformed" child labor, not "reformed" subjugation of women. In each of these cases, abolition was the only moral answer. Merely to reform injusti