Now if only they would go ethanol-free with their gas.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

Q: What is corn-based ethanol?
A: A fuel additive commodity with mixed reviews, that involves political patronage and taxpayer subsidies to exist. Corn simply is not a justifiable source of fuel for vehicles. Diverting corn from the food table and animal feed stocks to power cars drives up the cost of food and returns very little energy for the fuel invested to produce it.

Q: What is your Ethi-Nol© brand?
A: A branded ethanol with a pre-emptive promise of good citizenship and environmental stewardship. "No corn was injured in the making of this product."

Q: With my company needing more ethanol of any kind than it can get it hands on, why should I promise my customers that they are not buying corn-based ethanol?
A: Soon, very soon, corn farmers will not be able to meet even 1 percent of the ethanol demand and all vendors will rely on cheaper cane and cellulose ethanol. By boycotting corn ethanol and branding Ethi-Nol©, you can lock up non-corn sources while making a splash with your White Hat image.

These are only my personal opinions.

"Best gas stations"...how about "friendliest martinet"?

We're moving away from GAS-O-LINE to GAS -- as in H2, which you (H2)8rs can't stand.

Hydrogen? That's so late 20th century.

wow

and that does not even include their billions in dollars in Superfund cleanup liabilities they have found for 15 years.

Surely not the best slogan I can come up with, but I'll keep working on it.

And no, the GMOs have not crawled out of their tubes and modified me... as far as I know.

(Bike Proudly.)

Think we could get Monsanto, BP, Scotts, and GM behind this?

heheheheh

I know some of you don't have cars. Congratulations for breaking free of our cultural addiction to petroleum... seriously... it probably wasn't easy. Wish I had the courage and to do the same.

But what about the rest of you? Why do you still have cars? Why not move to a place where you don't need a car? There have been plenty of examples described on this very website.

Armageddon here we come!

All for the bottomline.  Funny stuff alright.

Can't wait until the ethanol nodule bluegrass catches fire!  What a firestorm.  Oooh the colors.  Spread it across the prairie and conservation reserve land too.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

Unless of course that material would have found it's way into a waste treatment facility, or landfill.
http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=49 ...

Using agricultural fodder isn't "waste".
http://culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content ...
http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/why-cellulosic-ethanol- ...
http://www.stopbp-berkeley.org/CellulosicBiofuels.pdf

-David Ahlport

they will do both!  luckily 10s of billions have just been added to the national debt for new nukes.  but is GMO falling behind in subsidies?

Let's hope not!  We need cancer and mutation to save the planet from human infestation.  

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

"Thorium has been extracted chiefly from monazite through a multi-stage process. In the first stage, the monazite sand is dissolved in an inorganic acid such as sulfuric acid (H2SO4). In the second, the Thorium is extracted into an organic phase containing an amine. Next it is separated or "stripped" using an anion such as nitrate, chloride, hydroxide, or carbonate, returning the thorium to an aqueous phase. Finally, the thorium is precipitated and collected."

Hmmmm... I wonder whether we can engineer a plant that could do this? Collect from soil via deep roots, concentrate it in easily harvested leaves. Yes. We'll get right on it. We'll make the leaves hot pink and very bitter so nobody accidentally eats them. What could go wrong?

But what about those automobiles???

Not to mention lots of renewable electric powered light rail and buses.  And mega miles of bike trails.

As mass transit and bike trails and batteries get better, zero fuel will be needed.

but all your GMO grass will blanket the earth by then.  How to eradicate it and restore nature once that happens?

More GMO, right?  Hehehey.  It's always the same answer.  More of the same disastrous, budget killing contractor corruption.  Self perpetuating corporate kleptocaracy.

nuclear waste?  reactors that eat waste.  funny guys.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

Scroll up a bit to reach my question under "Returning to topic...".

In most areas of the country, gasoline is a fungible product pipelined from one or more refineries.  The truckers fill up their tanks and add a 5-gallon pail or two of additive such as "System 3" or some hooey like that.  The actual brand of gasoline has very little meaning these days when you buy it at the pump.  The outlets can be captive (only sell what a certain truck carriers) or independent (sell whatever he or she wants).  

I've written about this before when people wanted to boycott a certain brand, such as Citgo or Exxon.  A boycott probably HELPS their marketing because the refiners don't sell just to stores having their corporate signs.  The sell to the highest bidder the can find, a penny here or there wins the deal.

Do you have an accounting of where your water comes from?  Is it well #59 or surface acreage from a certain impoundment lake intake?  You just don't know, do you, since water is water.

Same for gasoline, folks.
sammie

Onward through the fog

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Also just to cut things short on that GMO discussion.

Realistically plants get 3-6% solar efficiency.
And the VERY BEST a plant could hope to yield is 11%, since thats the Physics limitation of photosynthesis.

11% after you factor in all the losses past that in the fuel chain makes even the worst solar panels look idea.

As is, Sugar Cane is the best crop out there, and it's still pitiful compared to solar.
http://greyfalcon.net/sugarsolar

-David Ahlport

But what about the rest of you? Why do you still have cars? Why not move to a place where you don't need a car? There have been plenty of examples described on this very website.

Realistically plants get 3-6% solar efficiency.
And the VERY BEST a plant could hope to yield is 11%, since thats the Physics limitation of photosynthesis.

Based on the mountain of squash on my kitchen counter, I'd say my zuchinni plants are capable of way more than 11%. Why can't we  make liquid fuel from zuchinni? I've got surplus...