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Give ethanol a chance: The case for corn-based fuel

With the right rules in place, it could work

Posted by David Morris (Guest Contributor) at 4:10 AM on 17 Jun 2007

Working Assets is my long-distance phone company. I love it dearly for its combination of business efficiency, social responsibility and progressive politics.

Each month, my phone bill carries alerts that urge me to take action on a specific issue or two. Recent Citizen Actions suggest the gravity of the issues chosen: "Save Our Constitution," "Impeach Dick Cheney," "Close Guantanamo."

This month Working Assets urged me to "Say No to Ethanol."

How did the use of ethanol end up alongside tyranny and torture as an evil to be conquered?

A couple of years ago, I was waiting my turn to speak to a well-attended California conference on alternative fuels. For this gathering, alternative fuels included natural gas, clean diesel, fossil fueled derived hydrogen, coal-fired electricity, as well as wind energy and biofuels. The leadoff speaker, from the California Energy Commission, spoke warmly about all the alternative fuels under discussion. Except one. When it came to ethanol, he visualized his perspective with the metaphor of a giant hypodermic needle from Midwest corn farmers to California drivers. For him and, I suspect, most of California's state government, ethanol belongs in the same category as heroin.

In the late 1990s, the nation discovered that MTBE, a widely used gasoline additive made of natural gas and petroleum-derived isobutylene was polluting ground water. The environmental community largely defended its continued use and vigorously opposed substituting ethanol. One well-respected New England environmental coalition raised the possibility that ethanol blends could cause fetal alcohol syndrome. Fill up your gas tank with 10 percent ethanol and your baby could be alcoholic, their report warned.

In the last few years, the environmental position has shifted from an attack on ethanol from any source to an attack on corn and corn-derived ethanol. The assault on corn comes from so many directions that sometimes the arguments are wildly contradictory. In an article published in the New York Times Magazine earlier this year Michael Pollan, an excellent and insightful writer, argues that cheap corn is the key to the epidemic of obesity. The same month, Foreign Affairs published an article by two distinguished university professors who argued that the use of ethanol has led to a runup in corn prices that threatens to sentence millions more to starvation.

Ethanol is not a perfect fuel. Corn is far from a perfect fuel crop. We should debate their imperfections. But we should also keep in mind the first law of ecology. "There is no such thing as a free lunch." Tapping into any energy source involves tradeoffs.

Yet when it comes to ethanol, and corn, we accept no tradeoffs. In 30 years in the business of alternative energy, I've never encountered the level of animosity generated by ethanol, not even in the debate about nuclear power. When it comes to ethanol, we seem to apply a different standard than we do when we evaluate other fuels.

When California discovered MTBE in its groundwater, it petitioned the federal government to be allowed to phase out MTBE without using ethanol. It wanted to substitute a 100 percent petroleum-derived fuel. The environmental community was strongly supportive of that request.

I can't but think that the environmental community, as currently constituted, would have supported the use of lead over ethanol as its no-knock additive of choice for gasoline in the early 1920s.

When President George W. Bush first embraced the hydrogen economy, most environmentalists applauded, even though they conceded that for the first 10-20 years, hydrogen would be derived from fossil fuels. Indeed, so eager were they to jump-start hydrogen that Minnesota environmentalists helped enact a bill that defines hydrogen made from natural gas as a renewable fuel.

When it comes to ethanol, reporters appear obligated by some unwritten rule of the profession to talk about whether ethanol uses more energy in the cultivation and processing of the crop than it contains. In the hundreds of interviews I've had with journalists about ethanol over the years, I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times the net energy issue did not come up.

Articles about hydrogen in the mainstream, or alternative press, on the other hand, rarely talk about net energy. This despite the fact that while the net energy of ethanol may be debated, there is no debate about the energetics of hydrogen. Made from fossil fuels, hydrogen is a net energy loser.

While we're on the net energy issue, a few words about the ubiquitous David Pimentel. No article about ethanol is complete without a negative comment from Pimentel. David is a distinguished professor who believes corn ethanol uses more fossil fuels in its production than it displaces. It's certainly fair to quote him. He is a highly credible source.

But in 2005, a scientific journal published a new study by Pimentel and his collaborator, Tad Patzek. The study concluded that while corn-derived ethanol was a slight net energy loser, the energetics of biodiesel and ethanol made from cellulose were far worse.

The conversation about net energy went on as if nothing new had been added. The enemy was still corn. Pimentel and Patzek's conclusion that other crops were much worse than corn as sources of transportation fuels, was filtered out. My old psychology professor called this process cognitive dissonance. We screen out what doesn't gibe with preconceived notions. We hate corn. We don't hate soybeans or grasses. Therefore the negative things Pimentel and Patzek said about corn we consider authoritative. Their negative comments about soybeans and grasses we ignore.

I hope in the future we might engage in a more productive conversation and balanced discussion about the role of plants in a future industrial economy. To that end, I offer six propositions. I look forward to a debate on all or any one of these.

1. Sustainability requires molecules. Wind and sunlight are excellent energy sources, but they cannot provide the molecular building blocks that make physical products. For that we must choose minerals or vegetables (I'm lumping animals with vegetables for obvious reasons).

Minerals will always be an important source of molecules, in part because hundreds of billions of tons are already in existing products and these products have a very high recycleability potential. But ultimately we must increasingly rely on biological resources for our industrial needs if we are to achieve sustainability.

2. Wind and sunlight can only be harnessed for some form of energy (thermal, mechanical, electrical). Plants, on the other hand, can be used for many purposes: human nutrition, animal feed, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, clothing, building materials, fuels. The challenge for public policy is to design rules that encourage the highest and best use of our finite land area (and sea and lake areas).

Few would argue that human nutrition is the highest use of plants, followed by medicinal uses and possibly clothing. After that we might differ. My organization has argued that we should first use biomass to substitute for industrial products that use fossil fuels rather than for the fuels themselves. We make this argument in part because while there is insufficient biomass to displace a majority of fuels, there is a sufficient quantity to displace up to 100 percent of our petroleum and natural gas-derived chemicals and products. And these are much higher value products.

Thus vegetable oils should be used to make nonmineral motor oils and lubricants as a higher priority than being used to displace diesel. Plant sugars should be used to make plastics and other biochemicals as a higher priority than being used to displace gasoline. If we offered the $1 per gallon biodiesel incentive to biolubricants, would it significantly expand that market? If we offered the 51-cents-per-gallon ethanol incentive to bioplastics, would it significantly expand that market?

3. Corn is a transitional energy feedstock, but it has played a crucial role in creating the infrastructure for a carbohydrate economy. We are moving beyond corn, to more abundant feedstocks like cellulose. But a carbohydrate economy, where plants have an industrial role, would have been delayed by 20-30 years if not for corn.

As the nation's largest agricultural industry, with politically powerful corporate players like ADM, the corn industry had the clout to play with the big boys(e.g. coal, oil, natural gas) when federal incentives were liberally distributed in 1978 and 1980.

Federal incentives made ethanol blends competitive with gasoline at the gas pump. That was a necessary but wildly insufficient step toward getting biofuels into the gas pump. To accomplish that the embryonic biofuels industry had to persuade its competitor, the oil industry, to use ethanol instead of its own product. As the same time the ethanol industry had to convince car companies, which had designed their engines hand in glove with the oil companies for 60 years, to allow ethanol into their gas tanks.

For the first decade after the federal ethanol incentive was passed, a majority of ethanol was distribution through cooperatively owned and independently owned gas stations in the Midwest. Only in the late 1980s did car company manuals stop advising owners not to use ethanol blends.

Today a national biofuel distribution network exists. Some 30 percent of all cars use ethanol blends. The corn-derived ethanol industry has lowered per-gallon in-plant energy use by 75 percent since the early 1980s. And enzymatic research has been the foundation for new developments in bioplastics and other bioproducts.

We are nearing the end of the corn-to-ethanol era. Ethanol production has doubled since 2005 and promises to double again by 2010. It is unlikely any new corn to ethanol plants will be built beyond those currently in the construction pipeline. Even the National Corn Growers Association expects ethanol demand to exceed the capacity of the corn crop when all the new ethanol plants come online. All congressional bills that would increase the biofuels mandate also cap the amount of corn-derived ethanol at 15 billion gallons. After 2012, all additional ethanol capacity must be based on noncorn crops.

Cellulosic materials will be the prime feedstock. Some, like Vinod Khosla, a major proponent and investor in cellulosic ethanol plants, argues that his first plants, to be online by 2010, will produce ethanol competitively with $4 a bushel corn.

4. Electricity, not biofuels, will be the primary energy source for an oil-free and sustainable transportation system. But biofuels can play an important role in this future as energy sources for backup engines that can significantly reduce battery costs and extend driving range.

Even when we move from corn to cellulose, we likely lack sufficient arable land to cultivate enough biomass to displace more than about 25 percent of our transportation fuels (diesel plus gasoline). This is not an unimportant amount, but we need to accept that biofuels will not play the primary role in eliminating our dependence on oil. That role, as I've discussed in my 2003 report, A Better Way to Get From Here to There, will be played by electricity.

Miles traveled on electricity are oil-free miles because we use very little oil to generate electricity. Traveling on electricity means getting over 100 miles per gallon equivalent, triple the increased fuel efficiency standard under debate in the U.S. Senate. Traveling on electricity generates no tailpipe pollution and costs 1-2 cents per mile compared to 10-15 cents per mile for traveling on gasoline or biofuels. The electricity would initially come from a grid system almost 50 percent powered by coal, but given the renewable portfolio standards in place, an increasing percentage of our electricity would come from renewable resources like wind or sunlight.

The Achilles' heel of all-electric cars is the cost and weight of batteries and the need for recharging every 100 miles or so. A backup engine overcomes that shortcoming.

If the backup engine powers the car 25 percent of the time, we will have enough biomass to displace 100 percent of the petroleum used in the engine. Coupled with oil-free electricity, this can lead us to reduce by 80-100 percent our reliance on oil for transportation.

5. Approach biofuels as an agricultural issue with energy security implications, not as an energy security issue with agricultural implications. Design policies to maximize the benefit to rural areas of using plant matter for industrial and energy uses. The key is local ownership of biorefineries.

A 25 percent displacement of transportation fuels by biofuels will have an important, but not a determining or primary impact on energy security. But it could have a determining impact on the future of agriculture and rural communities. That's where we should focus our attention.

A 25 percent displacement of diesel and gasoline would require the cultivation and harvesting of more, perhaps far more, additional plant matter than is currently harvested for all purposes -- food, feed, chemicals, textiles, energy, paper, construction. That prospect affords us the opportunity to devise farm policies that dramatically restructure agriculture both here, and perhaps even more importantly, globally, where agriculture and rural villages still account for anywhere from 25 percent to 50 percent of the population.

The two key problems with agriculture are: (1) millions of farmers compete to sell their raw material into increasingly concentrated markets and (2) farmers sell raw materials and buy back finished goods, falling further and further behind. For almost two centuries, governments have devised programs to deal with this. The United States has two core farm strategies.

One is called supply management. Quotas keep domestic prices high. This is the way the sugar program works. The other more prevalent strategy involves farm payments when prices fall below a target level. The farmer sells his or her crop at prices below the cost of production. The government, via the general taxpayer makes up the difference. The price of food is lower.

It is unclear, if and when we shift to cellulosic biofuels, that farmers will avoid the core problems currently confronting grain farmers. This year's farm bill likely will offer money to farmers to cultivate cellulosic crops like grasses. Quite likely this initial payment program will evolve into a target price program similar to that now used for commodity crops.

In 2015, cellulosic farmers may be selling their crops to biorefineries at prices below the cost of production and receive government payments to make up the difference. Fuel costs will be modestly lower, just as food costs today are modestly lower because of government programs.

However, we can devise policies that enable a different future, one in which farmers, and other rural residents, own the value added biorefinery. Agricultural materials, by their nature, are bulky and costly to transport long distances. Thus processing tends to be local and regional. Biorefineries, unlike petroleum refineries, can be small in scale and thus enable local ownership.

Local ownership benefits farmers in a number of ways. It allows them to hedge against crop price declines. If their crop price goes down, the input costs of the biorefinery also decline and all things being equal, profits will be higher and they will receive a higher dividend check at the end of the year. Studies by the Institute for Local Self-Reliance and other organizations have found that farmers can earn up to five times more per bushel by co-owning a biorefinery rather than simply selling to it.

Local ownership benefits rural areas, as many studies have documented, because a much greater portion of the dollar generated by the biorefinery stays within the community. Local ownership benefits state economies because it generates more taxable income.

Local ownership and the scale of biorefineries have never been a consideration of the environmental movement. That may be changing. Until recently, the organic agriculture movement, for example, focused on the biological health of the soil, not the economic health and security of the farmers and rural communities. Now in several states, organic certification takes into account ownership and place. A new slogan is "Local is the new organic."

A priority on rootedness and local ownership should be included in initiatives proposed by the environmental community regarding biofuels. They should not only lobby for sustainable crops but also sustainable rural communities and a sustainable income for cultivators.

In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Minnesota led to the way in devising policies to encourage modest scaled biorefineries and farmer and local ownership. The movement caught on. Whereas in 1988 ADM accounted for 75 percent of ethanol output, in 2002 it accounted for about 35 percent. In that year, farmer owned biorefineries produced almost as much ethanol, collectively as did ADM's giant plants. Eighty percent of all new ethanol plants built or proposed that year were majority farmer or locally owned.

The current ethanol boom has changed the structure of the industry. Today, over 90 percent of all new ethanol plants are absentee-owned. The typical new plant has a capacity of 100 million gallons or more, almost triple the average size plant built in 2002 and making it very difficult to have majority local ownership.

In the 2005 Energy Act, Congress did direct the Department of Energy to give a priority to farmer ownership and rural development when it disbursed funds to accelerate cellulosic ethanol. DOE ignored the congressional directive. Congress made no fuss. All the attention is on getting more cellulosic ethanol, not getting better cellulosic ethanol, at least in its impact on farmers and rural communities.

Nothing in the current farm bill or current energy bills under consideration addresses the ownership and scale issue.

6. Support performance, not prescriptive standards.

Performance standards specify outcomes. They specify an end result, but not how that result is achieved. They focus on ends and leave the design of means to entrepreneurs. Performance standards foster competition and innovation. Renewable electricity portfolio standards, now in place in two dozen states, are performance standards. A variety of renewable fuels qualify -- wind, solar, biomass, hydro, geothermal, landfill gas, ocean or tidal power.

Prescriptive standards are like a recipe. They prescribe exactly how to achieve a specific result. The 2005 federal renewable fuel standard for transportation fuels and the new standard under debate in the U.S. Senate are prescriptive standards. They mandate the use of a single renewable fuel: ethanol.

Congress should transform the renewable transportation fuel standard into a performance standard, not only for internal consistency, but also because of the coming convergence of electricity and transportation.

California is developing a performance standard. Theirs is based on carbon emissions. Under that standard, natural gas derived hydrogen would probably not qualify as better than gasoline. Nor would corn ethanol produced in coal fired biorefineries. Cellulosic ethanol would rate higher than corn ethanol. Wind electricity likely would rate higher than cellulosic ethanol but perhaps lower than sugar cane derived ethanol where the cane cellulosic byproduct is used to power the processing plant.

For the next 5-15 years, the difference in the on-the-ground impact of a renewable transportation fuels standard rather than a biofuels mandate would be small in the same way as the on-the-ground impact of a renewable electricity standard versus a wind energy mandate has been small.

Wind energy accounts for 80 percent to 95 percent of the renewable electricity generated under the renewable portfolio standards. Because of their head start, national delivery systems and drop in capability to existing engines, ethanol and biodiesel would comprise at least as high a proportion of a renewable transportation fuel performance standard in the near future.

But in the longer term, a performance standard is superior public policy. It mandates ends, not means. It encourages diversity and flexibility and innovation, and provides a level playing field for entrepreneurs.

© 2007 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.

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I think I disdain corn ethanol because I buy into item 6, above, so strongly ("6. Support performance, not prescriptive standards.")

The "corn hataz" may not be right about everything, but I think the current crop of political initiatives for corn ethanol are the worst sort of prescriptive standards.

This stuff goes back.  I still think the paper A Complete Waste of Energy lays it out.

I would love it to death if we could get "performance, not prescriptive standards" - but in the meantime, I think I might "hate corn" because that's sort of a thumbnail counter-shock to all the corn love that's been going down.

some good points

re the green community's hypocrisy re MBTE etc., but there are a few things missing, in my view.

  1. Biodiversity implications of biofuels are not addressed.

  2. No explanation is given for yield increses (of both corn and ethanol from that corn) and the costs of those increases.

  3. The 'corn is the key transitional energy feedstock' argument is weak.

  4. Can we please have a proper calculation of the land needed to produce ethanol from different feedstocks under different circumstances (farming techniques (organic vs not) & ethanol prodcution methods)? And what percentage of US demand that'll satisfied under different scenarios? This one of the bigger elephants in the room.

  5. Still no counter to the argument that food will go up - globally, not just in the US.

  6. The stuff on cellulosic is confused. Is it good or bad? Net energy gain or loss? Khosla's cellulosic may be cost-effective, but we need to know whey and what the energy balance implications are.

Whiskerfish

last line correction

'why and...'

WF

Open question to David Roberts

Is this another one of those (re)posts that seems as if it offers an opportunity to debate with the author, but in actuality just gives readers a chance to express their opinion, or at best to engage in discussion with other commentators?

That is to say: is (a) David Morris going to read our comments; and (b) is he going to respond to them?

If neither (a) nor (b), why bother commenting?

These are only my personal opinions.

I guess the difference being

I guess the difference being that:

  1. This guy doesn't look at electricity as a fuel source.
  2. All biofuels are a bad idea, except maybe algae (which has yet to be seen)
  3. If biofuels were so desirable we'd be pouring our money into R&D, not into corporate porkbarrel.
  4. The claim that ethanol provides an air quality benefit is dubious.  All it does is merely create a tradeoff of one set of polutants for another.

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But I guess the real kicker being.

If they wanted to clean the air with Ethanol?
They failed.
greyfalcon. net/ ethanol2

If they wanted to reduce CO2 with Ethanol?
They failed.
greyfalcon. net/ soy2

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We already have a "transitional fuel"
It's called Oil.

Heh

Okay he does look at electricity as a fuel source.

But he doesn't look at is as one which can replace liquid fuels.

Since the batteries are "expensive"
And likely the implied aspect is that batteries can't be charged fast enough.

As shown with corn Ethanol, what costs $6.75 in total cost being sold for half that price.  If expensive were a barrier, the we wouldn't be doing biofuels.

Two, you CAN charge batteries to 80% capacity in as little as 1 minute.
http://www.altairnano.com/documents/NanoSafeBackgrounder0 ...

Just need new infrastructure for it. (Which is the same achille's heal as Ethanol)
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/05/30/aerovironment-suc ...

Still Skeptical Here.

The author brushes aside most of the critic's arguments about corn ethanol in a disingenuous manner -- they have not similarly criticized other energy sources so this nullifies their arguments against corn ethanol.  

As a complete system, I could almost buy the author's arguments.  If we could couple a realistic level of ethanol production with very highly efficient vehicles then I'd be more open to giving it some slack.  But, the current system of burning corn ethanol in low mileage,flex fuel vehicles is almost criminal.  The models that are being churned out by Detroit have the potential of being on the highway another 20 years.  

The environmental and ecological costs of cellulosic ethanol have barely been touched upon.  As one example, whatever species of plants that win out the selection process, the massive acreages of these species will provide habitat to many insects, birds and mammals. So, give them a home and then wipe the landscape clean.  Where will they find refuge -- in corn and soybean fields?  

Even with local production, the economics dictate very large scale development of infrastructure on the farm and in the factory.  

Finally, you are looking at a system that runs on an annual production cycle.  With all the potential environmental disturbances that could reduce the annual capture of sun energy by photosynthesis, it is difficult to imagine this happening without a backup of stored fossil fuel energy.  

The argument of this author seems to be along the lines that future developments in cellulosic technology justify this current production of corn ethanol.  Always there seems to be this faith that we can keep ratcheting up the technology to sustain our current path.  The result seems to be that we are carried further out on a limb that grows weaker at the base.  It is not unreasonable to question whether at some point a sustainability threshold is being crossed. And to question what the end is that justifies this continual ratcheting.    

I'm with Ron,

There are 210 comments over on Alternet. I'm sure the author will pick through a few of them to improve his own arguments but they don't represent a cohesive rebuttal. Maybe Ron, Tom, and myself should team up and educate Mr. Morris with a formidable formal rebuttal. A three part one from three different perspectives: agricultural, subsidy/cost, and biodiversity.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world
David Morris and OPEC embargo 30 years ago...

I have listen to David Morris speak at conferences during the OPEC oil embargo.  His points remain little changed.  The environment has changed and his talk need updating to include global carbon consequences.  Self reliance in the farm belt is limited provincial thinking.

Well

In addition

  1. Water - (Ogalala resivoir being drained even faster, and California's already in a drought)
  2. If the goal is to reduce CO2, then they are just making things dramatically worse by shifting other agriculture to tropical rainforrests.
  3. If the goal is to reduce CO2, then churning up tons of soil that holds carbon locked in it isn't going to do us much good.

Just in terms of physical limitations,
We don't have enough topsoil, enough fresh water, or enough natural gas for fertilizer to do agricultural biofuels.

At best all we're getting is 3% of our Oil offset, with marginal air quality benefits, for billions upon billions of dollars spent.

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And his arguement that people "Aren't complaining about biodiesel or hydrogen" isn't really a good one.

The reason people aren't complaining is because largely those vehicles do not exist in the US.

Ah yes

There's also something to be said about basing our "energy independance" upon something like agrofuels.

Heatwaves, floods, water shortages, and planting the same monoculture over and over, would mean that we get decreased yields.

BioFuels are the most vulnerable and unreliable source of fuel we can choose.

And if we base our entire economy around it, our fate is left up to the fickle disposition of crop yields.

picking winners

Just curious, how many are ready to support the Sierra Club and Cato "no subsidy" plan?  To let the future find its own winners?

And how many want the same political game, but with their "winner" winning?

From the other thread

Thats the other thing that could be said.

Mere energy effeciency could reduce our oil demand far faster, cleaner, and cheaper than the growth of biofuels ever could.

And it doesn't neccisarily need to be an electric car.

It could be a hybrid, a diesel, lightweighting, horsepower tradeoffs, any number of effeciency options.

But building giant infrastructure around something which will be obsolete is just foolish.

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Sadly this should be the arguement that people always give first.

And when it comes to spending billions and billions of dollars, we'd be far better suited by spending it on those who can make that change happen.  (i.e. The Car companies)

Good comments, all

I'll wait to see whether we are talking to ourselves and the wall, or whether David Morris is monitoring this discussion before writing anything more than one paragraph.

We all know that the claim that "corn is the prelude to cellulosic ethanol" is only half right. There may well be cellulosic ethanol produced in the future all right, but mostly it will be an add-on, a way to use more of the corn plant than just the kernel. Studies by Iowa State University have shown that farmers with prime farmland in the Midwest will always grow corn over switchgrass. That is why Senators John Thune (R-SD) and Ben Nelson (D-NE) are now trying to offer new subsidies to reward farmers who grow feedstock for cellulosic-ethanol plants. Note, they are not proposing to take away any of the subsidies that are currently fueling the corn-ethanol boom. But in ethanol policy money seems to be unlimited; subsidies can go in only one direction: up, up, up, more, more, more.

David Morris says, "We are moving beyond corn, to more abundant feedstocks like cellulose." No, we have a few, heavily subsidized cellulosic-ethanol plants being built. That is not the same thing. Hey, give me enough money and I'll build you a plant that makes fuel from earwax.

OK, that's three paragraphs, but close enough for government work. ;-)

These are only my personal opinions.

Net renewable is the performance standard needed

  If Morris is serious about wanting all alt-fuels to be treated equally and about wanting a performance standard, then he should get behind the idea that no subsidies should be paid for alt-fuels except on the net renewable energy content.

  The "transition fuel" argument for corn is an absolute crock.  When you reward A, you get more A, not more B.  The best example is how the Big 3 played the subsidy game with the "Partnership for the Next Generation Vehicle," the Clinton-Gore boondoggle that sent over $900M to Detroit so that they could ... think deep thoughts or something, while Toyota and Honda brought the first hybrids to market.

The 5% Project

"Contradictory" arguments?

I was somewhat surprised to see this piece as I usually think Morris's work is spot-on. I think he makes a number of valid points regardless but continue to view corn ethanol as a dead-end that is unlikely to even prove beneficial for farmers in the medium-term. For the record, biodiesel and hydrogen don't look very promising to me for large-scale use, either. What does? Moving us and our stuff around a lot less, relying more on our own biological energy, and electrifying the remaining transportation as much as is feasible.

I think this argument by Morris is absolutely nonsensical, though:

The assault on corn comes from so many directions that sometimes the arguments are wildly contradictory. In an article published in the New York Times Magazine earlier this year Michael Pollan, an excellent and insightful writer, argues that cheap corn is the key to the epidemic of obesity. The same month, Foreign Affairs published an article by two distinguished university professors who argued that the use of ethanol has led to a runup in corn prices that threatens to sentence millions more to starvation.

Cheap corn has been key to the epidemic of obesity in recent decades, but the ethanol boom of the last few years has made it rather less cheap, which does seem to be pricing the least-affluent around the world out of the market. Corn still remains cheap enough that it hasn't reduced its use in American food products (most notably as high-fructose corn syrup) noticeably so far, though,  so we're unlikely to notice Americans slimming down right away.

"You can never get enough of what you do not really want." - Huston Smith

Tradeoffs

Let's tally the tradeoffs from E15.

E15 lowers your mileage 10%, so for every 10 gallon fillup you need to buy (and burn, spewing more GHG)an extra ($3+) gallon of fuel.

That 1.5 gallons of ethanol took over 1.5 gallons of fossil fuel to produce.  A net loss of energy independence from oil and terror/eternal war  producing imports.

And that 1.5 gallons of ethanol took 6 gallons of water to produce.

Lastly the subsidies to that 1.5 gallon of ethanol could buy over a gallon equivalent of kwh to charge up an electric car.  

Write as long as you want, you aren't going to overcome the huge eco/financial  deficit in fuel farmed ethanol transportation.  Give it up Mr Morris, join the plugin vehicle juggernaut and come on in for the win.

Divert all fossil, nuclear, and fuel farmed fuel subsidies to plugins plugged into renewable distributed power generation and storage grids now!

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

Give Ethanol A Chance

David your commentary is the most intelligent I have ever read on this subject.

To the readers:  I have farmed for several years and have mastered the optimization of the collection of solar energy via plant life within the irrigated and dryland areas of Washington State.  I have grown a dozen crops such as  potatoes, corn, and hay.

Farmers annually farm solar energy stored into biomass.

Our problem is that we have built our Western society on prehistoric stored solar energy via fossil fuels.  We are at war in the Middle East because they have over 80% of the remaining known world crude oil reserves left to easily extract for our current Western society to continue.  So we ask our farmers to provide a solution.

Corn is currently the most efficient collector of annual solar energy to provide for food, feed, and fuel within the U.S. agricultural region.  Brazil has sugar cane for their region.

Now the naysayers will need to go out and plant the crops, harvest them, process them, and get the products out to the marketplace to educate themselves on what is the most efficient way to provide all of Western societies needs from the farm. Corn is king in the U.S..  Wheat and barley acreage expansion can be used in the dryland areas as an additional amount of solar energy.  We pay farmers in Washington State over 80 million dollars to raise no crops on 1,400,000 acres.  

Cellulosic ethanol would be a great next step to pay for the management of healthy forests and reducing forest fires.  This goal of reducing forest fires would reduce CO2 emissions and the loss of solar btus that could drive our cars.

I would love to continue this conversation but I gotta go.....

Green Greed makes Greed Green

25%?

I understand that ethanol could only meet 10% of present use?  I suppose wild new claims are being made for cellulosic, yet to produce any actual substantial amount of ethanol?

At any rate if fuel use is reduced to 10% by plugin hybrids  or even 25% as you estimate, oil will last a lot longer, bankrupting everyone who invested in fuel farming.

But all that conservation reserve cropland will have turned to dustbowl by then.  never heard of soil depletion and GHG caused drought?  gotta get out of the office ocasionally and go out on the land dude.  hehey.  smell the ecosystem burning.  lake Okechoebee (for instance)is on fire!

And we were shocked years ago by the Ohio river burning from chemical dumping?

Because fossil fuel is burned to produce eyhanol, which is also burned, and takes up conservation land that would otherwise store carbon, fuel farmed ethanol gives a triple does of gHG compared to oil.  Plugins plugged into renewables eliminates gHG entirely.

Need we go on bludgeoning you with the facts?  probably so.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

Corn is currently the most efficient collector of

Corn is currently the most efficient collector of annual solar energy

No it's not.
http://greyfalcon.net/ethanol.png

Corn is about 0.25% solar effecient.
The WORST solar panels are about 6-8% effecient.
And the best is currently pegged at 40.7%
However the most cost effective currently is solar thermal, which is 35%

Ah yes

And the best biomass is 6%
However theoretically it could reach a maximum of 11%

Still pretty pathetic.

Sauce for the Goose

I've always been a backer of ILSR, buying their books and talking up their ideas, but now I'm starting to question this. Their "Break the Chains" work in support of local small businesses has been exemplary.

But I got a funny feeling reading the Morris piece above: too slick, too pat.  It reads like something Ari Fleischer or Tony Snow would say--simply denies that people disagreeing have any legitimate objections, simply repeats things that have been disproved over and over, questions the motives of opponents and makes sweeping statements like "environmentalists applauded hydrogen" without acknowledging that plenty of enviros knew (and know) better.

So I thought I'd run over to ILSR website and check out their funders---and, lo and behold, you can't find anything on their website about who funds them.

Since the Competitive Enterprise Institute (whore for Exxon) and Patrick Moore (for nuclear) rightly get slammed for being paid while pretending to be neutral, I'd like to ask that ILSR add a breakdown of its funding to its website.  Maybe it's not the Corn Growers' lobby talking, but it sure seems like it might be.

The 5% Project

Uhm

We pay farmers in Washington State over 80 million dollars to raise no crops on 1,400,000 acres.

The Conservation Reserve Program

Which does a hell of a lot more good than the supposed CO2 benefits of corn.

It's one of the main reasons that US is trapping carbon.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/feb01/bank0201.htm
http://www.pww.org/article/view/10982/

But yes, lets go churn up that soil, and release all sorts of gases into the atmosphere.

_

Besides most of it's erroded and marginal land.

Catch being intensive farming on it would make it just barren land.

_

But then again, it looks like they are effectively attempting to Cancel the CRP program.

http://jhawkins54.typepad.com/ifb_ethanol_blog/2007/02/fy ...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/outdoors/tompkins/457 ...
http://www.ducks.org/news/1187/Decisiontocurtailear.html

no subsidies

JMG wrote "no subsidies should be paid for alt-fuels except on the net renewable energy content."

You know, if you put a carbon tax on fossil fuels, you shouldn't even need to do that.  The carbon tax should be sufficient to drive (a) efficiency and (b) conversion to renewable energies (not just "bio" fuels).

It's like ... I've got a $15/mo electric bill ... how big a solar tax credit do you want to give me?  How big a credit should I get?  (IMO, none.)

My electric bill is ten times bigger than yours

Odo, so I win! Wait a damn minute, no I don't. Maybe it's time to change the idea that bigger is always better ;-)

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world
This is sort of sad...

...because a book that David Morris cowrite with Karl Hess, "Neighborhood Power: The New Localism" in 1975 was a great theoretical inspiration to me, and should be on the "Great Books" list for anybody interested in "relocalizing", that is, creating a society that is, well, self-reliant, thereby cutting down on energy use but, just as importantly, putting economic power back into communities (you can still here hints of that in Morris' post above).  So somehow Morris found this niche, apparently, that has some convoluted connection to true local self-reliance (I don't think industrial agriculture would ever fit into Hess/Morris' original vision of local self-reliance).  If he would jettison this obsession and get back to a more holistic vision that he started out with, we'd be much better off.  Too bad.

Ron, et al,

I don't know if Morris will be dropping by to discuss this with us. I've let him know he's welcome and encouraged to do so, but I have no idea if he'll be able. I do, however, question the notion that discussing this issue amongst ourselves is worthless if he's not listening/responding.

Is a book group worthless if the author doesn't attend?

I learn a lot from these discussions; I know others do to. Whether Important People are here learning along with us is hardly a deal breaker, at least for me.

grist.org

Yep

This is another rare case where I agree with DR.  Doesn't matter who is listening or joining in, progress is being made anyway.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog
Reducing own use vs. selling to others

Odo, I think you should be treated like any other utility if you are in the business of providing power to others; if all you are doing is reducing your own consumption, why subsidize you?

Further, we were discussing liquid fuels, which are currently heavily and expressly subsidized, as opposed to electric power, for which the subsidies are indirect (not having to pay for externalities, mainly).

So, no, I don't want to give you a tax credit; and if you start making biofuels, then I think you should only be given a subsidy (if at all) on the net renewable content of those biofuels.

I want to take Ron S and Robert Rapier's position (end all subsidies, price carbon, and it works out even better than if you subsidized renewables), but I can't help but noticing that we're not getting anywhere with that.  Meanwhile, supposedly green types like ILSR are still pushing corn ethanol.

("Rationalization: the substitution of a good reason for the real reason.")

The 5% Project

Give Corn Ethanol a Chance

Mr. Greyflcn,

I drive down the road with my ethanol converted E-85 2000 Subaru.  I got off my petro addiction - well at lest I'm 85% there.  I doubt you are off the petro - am I right?

First Law of Thermodynamics - read it.

Corn is the most efficient solar energy collector on the American farm.  We can grow it using organic nitrogen which we call manure (or some farmers may prefer to use human excrement - plentiful in China but concentrated near US cities and off limits to US Farmers).  We can drive our tractors using biodiesel to harvest the crop - 100 years ago we used another renewable power source known as horses.

Now, sir, we only extract the seed of this most amazing plant and use it for food, feed, or fuel.  In Washington State, we can take a renewable resource such as water pumped into irrigation pivots powered by renewable hydropower.  This process yields over 260 bushels of corn per acre or 14,560 pounds of food per acre.  Using hydropower and wind we can heat boilers to produce 4,853 pounds of ethanol and 4,853 pounds of cattle feed that will be eventually converted to meat or milk.  The remaining 4,853 pounds is CO2 emitted into the atmosphere to be used by corn plants next year - remember Co2 is the air plants breath. It's the addition of co2 from our petro addiction we must be concerned with, right?  

Now cows eat the feed produced from the byproduct of the corn to ethanol process.  What about the energy to be collected from the cows such as methane and manure that the animals emmit?  What about the energy from human waste gases and excrement caused by the consumption of milk and meat?  What about accounting for the energy btus of the heat generated off animals and humans that have consumed "corn to ethanol" byproducts aka distillers grain?  And going back to the corn crop itself, what about the corn stalks that cows digest all winter in the corn field and account for the energy from the corn stalks transferred to animal heat, animal waste gas, animal manure, animal meat and milk and the energy from the human consumption of those ag products?  Then you go back to what is left of the corn plant in the field and look at the remaning stalks and roots that are disced back into the soil to add to the soil "bank".  That is right! more corn energy to be used by other crops next year - just disc whats left in the ground.  

Now you say it is wrong to farm the CRP in Washington.  Go look at the ground - its is full of weeds.  And your concerned about emitting co2 into the atmosphere by turning the soil for crop production?  Are you using petro in your car, Sir?  Shouldn't we all be more concerned about adding additional co2 that has been locked away for millions of years?  And furthermore, shouldn't we be concerned about the fuel that is being used in your car coming from the Middle East?

You have a petro addiction Sir.  You will diss corn ethanol and American farmers with your mouth full while driving your car with Middle Eastern crude oil shipped half way around the world while your car is emitting additional co2 causing Global Warming.

I'm very happy when driving my used car with ethanol - at lest I'm not an Enviromentalist hypocrite!

Green Greed makes Greed Green

The US is going to miss the boat

If this map is even vaguely accurate, then biomass produced ethanol is a dead-end as a US industry. It will have to be done in Canada because by 2050 almost the entire climatic zone for growing corn, wheat etc. will have moved north of the border.

Besides:

If deep dry geothermal has anywhere near the potential elsewhere as it seems to have in Australia (see the geodynamics website for a revelatory experience).

And if a breakthrough in the production of fuel from CO2 using electricity and new catalysts can be achieved (eg. as being investigated here and as described here).

Then the whole biomass to fuel concept becomes irrelevant.

Imagine how quickly we could get these kinds of solutions of the ground if even a fraction of the money spent on fusion and fission research were put into this kind of thing.

Acres

Potato farmer makes a good argument.

Solar thermal can deliver the energy equivalent of 900 barrels of oil per acre per year (180,000 pounds  of 37800 gallons crude)

Alt fuels

I's just like to say that a diversified energy policy is the way to go, and nobody is demanding that ethanol would ever be 100% of the energy market.  Get real, from the start it was a pork spending bill that would help promote a certain alternative motor vehicle fuel additive.  

You're probably burning E10 right now because of the phase-out of MTBE.  Other oxygenate boosters such as ETBE and TAME are too expensive to sell on the retail gasoline market.  You already got it in your tank most probably, man. At issue is further use such as for E85 gasoline.  Some thoughts:

  • Expanding dead zone of black water off the Mississippi River in the Gulf of Mexico, growing larger every year.  More corn production in any part of the watershed could make this worse.

  • Ethanol actually lowers fuel economy, even though the engine is more efficient and burns more cleanly.  It has a lower BTU content then gasoline when burned, so you have to use more of it.

  • Wild-eyed speculation about hundreds of new ethanol plants and million of gallons will eventually flood the market, with obvious implications

What the gentleman at the top was saying is that ethanol is an alternative fuel and why pick on it - although he didn't say that methanol and hydrogen could be serious problems from a public risk point of view.  

Hey man, you're talking to a guy who knows first-hand about LNG buses.  What a joke.  /sam

Onward through the fog

re: potatofarmer

1. Photosythesis is severely limited.
http://greyfalcon.net/sugarsolar

2. Nitrogen Fertilizer comes almost exclusively from Natural Gas.
With a price volitility that far exceeds gasoline.
http://energy.seekingalpha.com/article/33925
http://www.fapri.missouri.edu/outreach/publications/2005/ ...
http://southwestfarmpress.com/mag/farming_high_natural_ga ...
And increasingly that comes from other nations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WJeYVuDCDY

3. Conventional industrial corn is one of the most water intensive crops we got.
Three times more water needed than Cotton.  (Which is also a water intensive crop)
2500 gallons of water for 1 gallon of ethanol, hardly seems like a fair tradeoff.
http://www.polarisinstitute.org/cant_drink_ethanol

4. We don't have enough water resources.
http://www.uswaternews.com/archives/arcsupply/6worllarg2. ...

5. Even if we converted every single piece of corn we have into fuel, we would only offset 1% of the miles driven in the US.
http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2006/05/e85-spinning-our- ...

6. Corn goes a long way to destroying the soil.
http://www.stopbp-berkeley.org/CellulosicBiofuels.pdf
http://greyfalcon.net/peaksoil

7. We should be concerned with doing what is the most cost effective, and quickest solution.
Spending billions upon billions to accomplish virtually nothing isn't going to do us much good.
Especially when it prolongs how long we stay with a liquid fuels economy.
Driving Hummers on Ethanol isn't going to do us much good.
And yet thats basically what the current policy is.

8. Considering how much fossil energy goes into making corn,
Fossil Fuel fertilizer, GMO seeds, pesticides, transport fuel, process fuel, and irrigation.
You might as well call it laundering fossil fuels to give them a green image.

9. Ironic thing being, turning natural gas into a fuel additive?
Thats exactly what we were doing with MBTE.
So largely we haven't even replaced a drop of Oil with Ethanol.

10. If anything we've increased our dependance on oil, by allow car makers to downgrade their fuel economy for making flex-fuel cars.
http://www.tradewatch.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=2401

Well

From the look of it.

Perhaps Natural Gas isn't as scarce as I thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iAkJzKqV6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwawK-HKuQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty7uxG4Q45A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmku0SyY3_Q

Potato Farmer,

Welcome to the discussion.

If your land is producing corn organically, then I presume it counts among the only 0.016% of corn-producing acres in the USA that are certified organic. The vast majority of corn ethanol comes from farms that are using good-ol' high-input, high-yield methods of producing the feedstock. Yes, I suppose more corn feedstock could be produced organically. But could you please provide evidence that that is happening?

You are proud to be driving a seven-year-old flex-fuel Subaru and say that by fueling it with E85 you are 85% towards ending your petrol addiction. Forgetting that some petroleum was involved in producing that fuel, and that winter blends can contain as low as 70% ethanol and still be called E85, getting that fuel to you involves a substantial amount of public money.

Not only was the corn subsidized, but every other part of the supply chain, including the pumps that dispense the E85 to your vehicle, are subsidized also. (And your neighboring state, Oregon, is now proposing to create new, additional subsidies for crops used for producing biofuels.) Just the cost to the U.S. Treasury of the $0.51/gallon volumetric ethanol excise tax of keeping your Subaru tanked up is on the order of several hundred dollars a year. Keeping a big SUV tanked up on E85 can cost up to $1000 a year. (Source: "Biofuels--At What Cost?")

The question that needs to be asked is, what are all these subsidies gaining for the country? The air-quality benefits of E85 are marginal, at best (PDF alert). And, because of the risk of crop failure due to drought or disease, the national-security benefits of corn-based ethanol and soy-based biodiesel are also slim.

So, how about CO2-mitigation benefits? On even the most generous assumptions about the reduction in CO2 gained from corn-ethanol, the subsidy is on the order of $500 per ton of CO2-equivalent reduced for ethanol produced and consumed in the Midwest.

Since your state, Washington, is not in the Midwest, the following conclusions from a study conducted by researchers at Oregon State University are perhaps more relevant to your situation:

The cost of reducing CO2-equivalent emissions by promoting biofuels is compared to various economic studies that have evaluated the costs of other types of climate change policies. These policies include regulatory controls on CO2 emissions, carbon sequestration actions of various types, and market-based approaches such as carbon taxes or "cap-and-trade" schemes. Those studies suggest a midrange estimate of $50 per ton. Compared to this benchmark, the cost of reducing CO2 emissions with corn-ethanol is found to be more than 200 times higher, or $10,700 per ton of CO2-equivalent emissions. For biodiesel, the cost is estimated to be 11 times as high as the $50 estimate, or $580/ton. And in the case of cellulosic wood-based ethanol, the cost is 7 times as high, at $350/ton. Hence, other policies aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions appear to be significantly more cost-effective than a shift to these three biofuels. [My emphasis.]

Finally, comments like the one you wrote in your first posting are unnecessary:

Now the naysayers will need to go out and plant the crops, harvest them, process them, and get the products out to the marketplace to educate themselves on what is the most efficient way to provide all of Western societies needs from the farm.

For one, many of the active discussants on Grist -- most notably Tom Philpott -- do have experience farming. Others of us grew up on farms, or have developed some expertise on the subject through other means.

And in any case, that kind of comment is fine if the farming community is asking only for understanding and sympathy. But the farm lobby (perhaps not you personally) also demands billions and billions of subsidies a year from the rest of the 98% of taxpayers who do not farm for a living. In my mind, that demand gives the non-farmers a seat at the table. By making that comment, were you suggesting that these people should instead just pay up and shut up?

These are only my personal opinions.

What, no one even mentions GMO issues?

GreyFlcn has already addressed several things that came to mind as serious omissions of this article, but here are a couple more.

Ethanol is less energy dense than gasoline and, as such, the more it is substituted for gasoline, the less able our already maxed out system of fuel pipelines is to deliver the quantity of fuel needed in various regions of the country.  That means shortages in California and elsewhere are likely as the percentage of ethanol in gasoline blends increases.  The gasoline distributors don't want to build new pipeline capacity unless they are convinced there will be a good payback for doing so.  One way to get a good payback is for consumers to pay a pretty price for a greater volume of fuel over a long time.  Another is for the government to offer more incentives and tax breaks for the distributors to keep people from shooting each other in long lines to fill up gas tanks.  Once those long lines develop, by next summer if not this one, the industry may be in a position to bargain for policies that ensure both outcomes--that is, subsidies and ongoing upward demand for the volume of fuel flowing through the pipelines.  Neither of those options will get the country aimed in the direction of serious conservation, which a couple people have noted is really the wisest, most economical, and most certain way to reduce GHG and dependence on fossil fuels.

Growing corn organically sounds great.  By all rights, we should just halt all use of natural gas and oil as fertilizer and pest management inputs, just like we should wave a magic wand and convert to an all dirty power sources to solar, wind, tidal, and, for a more limited time, geothermal.  Ah, but reality keeps getting in the way.  And the reality is that it takes lots of time, investment, risk, and energy up front (which means conventional energy, you see) to make such transitions.  Merely knowing how to do something on a limited scale does not mean you can quickly transform the infrastructure that took the better part of a century to develop into something else.

Knowing that, big agra has felt secure investing in ever more industrialized and synthetic means of boosting, or at least maintaining, output per acre.  It's not clear that acres of dirt are actually the limiting factor to be worried about, but that does seem to be how the game has been played for a very long time.  And one of the most recent efforts in that direction has been to resort to bioengineering corn and soy, often with consequences that threaten an eventual return to agricultural methods that do not rely on oil and gas inputs or some two dozen derivatives thereof that blur the meaning of the word "organic" in this context, or I would use it to describe the alternative means of agriculture to whic I am merely alluding.  (Sorry.)

So, what do you suppose might be the consequence of getting the whole country substantially dependent on a GMO crop for its fuel supply when the time comes for big agriculture to ask for permission to turn loose, the bioengineered switch grass that BP just effectively bought a controlling interest in UC Berkeley to develop?  Isn't it likely that industry will argue that we have nothing to lose by turning loose more (and very different, actually) GMOs for the purpose of growing fuel now that we have already condoned such for ethanol production through corn?  And as the water and bioactive soil problems already mentioned in this discussion worsen, won't regulators, politicians, and the public at large be just that much more desperate and willing to gamble on minimally tested GMOs if they discover they are already hooked on GMO fuel crops of some sort the way they are now hooked on oil and willing to promote its production from dirty, water threatening sources such as tar sands?

I dunno about all of you, but to me serious conservation of water and energy coupled with localization and diversification of increasingly "organic" agriculture makes a lot more sense than investing synthetic strains of monoculture crops grown on a hyper industrial scale far away from most consumers as a way to address fuel needs--while more or less overlooking the already visible implications for food prices and availability.  YMMV--especially if it depends on increasing quantities of alcohol to turn you motor.

All good points, Rune

Just one minor detail: ethanol is not transported by pipeline in the USA. It could be (as in Brazil), but that would require massive investment in new, corrosion-resistant pipes. But the only reason such pipelines would be "needed" in the first place is because the $0.54/gallon tariff on Brazilian ethanol makes it uneconomical to ship that country's product to California directly, by tanker ship (which is a relatively energy-efficient mode of transport).

At the moment, ethanol from the Midwest arrives in California mainly by rail, in tanker cars. A lot of ethanol in the USA is transported simply by truck.

These are only my personal opinions.

More comments

A few comments.

A 250 bushel corn yield is extremely rare in the corn belt.  Average yields hover closer to 150 bushels.  

Taking more land and crops in the US for biofuels will reduce food and feed to developing countries.  This demand is rising rapidly in countries like China with increased meat consumption.  This will result in the clearing of more tropical forests with dire ecological consequences -- loss of biodiversity, reduced rainfall, and elevated CO2.

Importing ethanol from Brazil might increase the price of the fuel to their citizens, increase the pace of natural ecosystem destruction, and increase their own oil production and consumption.

Transportation of ethanol is a big determinant in the siting of new corn ethanol plants.  For plants under construction, there may not be train cars available for a couple of years due to shortages in tank cars.  

Given all the negatives, it is difficult to imagine how growing dependence on biofuels is going to make the world more secure.  

We have witnessed some great costs to misdirected efforts of making the US more secure from terrorism.  Likewise, some of our efforts to make the US more energy independent may feedback with unintended consequences.  

Global warming is a burning issue.  We need to stop the fire.  Internal combustion is a good place to start.  Can we imagine a world with far fewer cars and trucks?  If not, I think we are screwed.

Peak Soil

"The nation that destroys its soil destroys itself." - President Franklin D. Roosevelt

Hello all,

Alice Friedemann's excellent "Peak Soil" has been posted to Grist several times but here it is again for those who missed it.
http://www.culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=com_con ...

Peak Soil: Why Cellulosic ethanol and other Biofuels are Not Sustainable and are a Threat to America's National Security

Part 1. The Dirt on Dirt.
Part 2. The Poop on Ethanol: Energy Returned on Energy Invested (EROEI)
Part 3. Biofuel is a Grim Reaper.
Part 4. Biodiesel: Can we eat enough French Fries?
Part 5. If we can't drink and drive, then burn baby burn. - Energy Crop Combustion
Part 6. The problems with Cellulosic Ethanol could drive you to drink.
Part 7. Where do we go from here?
Appendix
Department of Energy's Biofuel Roadmap Barriers
References

Culture Change:
http://www.culturechange.org


2003

For what it's worth, that "no subsidies" answer to the Energy Bill that I posted at the top of this thread was written back in 2003 - for a past Energy Bill that suffered these same problems.

As I said there, this stuff goes back.  And it was striking to me when I came across this article in 2005, that people from opposite sides of the environmental spectrum could come to the same conclusion.

Jerry Taylor is (or was) director of natural resource studies at the Cato Institute. Dan Becker is (or was) director for the Sierra Club's global warming and energy program.

I'll grant that it is sometimes necessary to work within a system, but I think we have to recognize when a system can't be won.

When armchair pundits and armchair lobbyists argue for "their" technology, I think all we do is perpetuate a system where real pundits and real lobbyists get to manipulate things for their benefit.

That's how we got the Hydrogen Highway for gosh sakes, and that's how we Corn Ethanol disaster.

We should chuck this system .. but maybe we can't.  Maybe it is too seductive to be an expert, to be an amateur lobbyist ....


GrayFlcn

It seems like you haven't read your own link: if we converted all of our corn into ethanol, it would substitute 19% of all miles driven.

Nice way to make a point though: If we convert all our corn, we'll get ONE percent...


Ron,

It seems that the cellulosic wood-based ethanol actually sounds like a great idea. Seven times more expensive as yet unproven cap-and-trade schemes? All the while providing money desperately needed to thin both 'firefighter-protected' burn forests, and butchered diameter-limit cut forests with low quality wood?

Sign me up.

Nope

That wood lying around to feed an eventual forest fire is better used in pyrolization via solid oxide fuel cell/turbine.  

Where it would produce clean power and charcoal as a soil amendment that serves as a perpetual carbon sink.

with high tech machines directed by hunman operators, the waste wood that poses a fire risk could be economically, safely, ecologically  harvested for this purpose.  Illegal cleanup crews (as the foresters are rumored to employ now)won't do it economically.  Human labor is too costly even at illegal wage rates.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

Nope

Wood and crop residue (corn cobs) are best used in pellet stoves to displace oil, gas, and electric heat.

Nope

End all combustion or perish.  Heating is better done with a geothermal heat envelope and cooling with direct circulation.

A solar fan touting combustion?  For shame!  Hehey.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

Charcoal

That soil amendment stores a lot of carbon.  And it restores soil hit by drought.  the charcoal could be spread into forest soil by the same machines that collect fire prone wood.

Wood or corncobs up the chimney?  For something mother earth can do?  No way.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

wouldn't it be great

Wouldn't it be great if we had a level playing field, taxes on "carbon" across the board, and that's it?

Then JMG wouldn't have to sweat what was "liquid" and what wasn't.  Amazing, and Grey, and Sunflower could all try their stuff ... and tell us how it actually works in the here and now.

BioD might even get a new refrigerator ;-)

re: atreyger

GrayFlcn: It seems like you haven't read your own link: if we converted all of our corn into ethanol, it would substitute 19% of all miles driven.

Putting all of that ethanol into the gasoline supply would mean ethanol could comprise 19% of the gasoline supply on a volumetric basis

Ignoring co-products for a moment, that means the created energy was a mere 8% in excess of the input energy. Given that the fossil fuels (primarily natural gas) that went into making the ethanol can usually serve as transportation fuels, the amount of transportation fuel that is displaced is only the 8% that was "created". That means that in reality, using our entire corn crop would only displace 1% of our annual gasoline consumption. http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2006/05/e85-spinning-our- ...

You don't drive gallons, you drive miles....

I had to put my toys aside and get real.

High-cost  high-tech capital-intensive subsidized money-making toys are a dead end for our sweet Earth as we know her.  

Biomass will oxidize into CO2 whether we burn crop waste or not.  Displacing dead carbon emissions is job number one.

Be effective and find the most cost effective methods to displace fossil carbon combustion.

The sequesture of charcoal (or using ethanol, pv, coal sequestration,,,) won't hold a match to not burning dead carbon and is akin to grasping at straws while drowning in a panic.  Remain calm and think this thing through.

Yes odo, tax carbon!

Tax dead carbon - fossil carbon



Potatofarmer,

So we ask our farmers to provide a solution.

I don't want to pop your bubble but we don't' ask farmers for solutions, we simply pay them for the stuff they grow. Politicians buy votes with tax money by giving it to industrial agriculture to grow agrofuels. They then mandate that this agrofuel be blended into the taxpayer's fuel, forcing them to buy the expensive agrofuel they were just forced to subsidize.

We pay farmers in Washington State over 80 million dollars to raise no crops on 1,400,000 acres

Again, that is one way to look at it. Another way is that the farmers are making money by doing nothing and they seem to like it, or they wouldn't have rented that land to the government. The idea is to keep them from bankrupting themselves by planting crops on marginally economical, erosion prone land presently serving as wildlife habitat and carbon sinks. Putting it all under the plow again would barely make a dent in reducing fossil fuel use.

Without the welfare (subsidies and mandates) pouring into the pockets of farmers and agrofuel refiners, few would be buying this environmentally destructive fuel except as an additive and even that might stop with the end of government welfare. Which leads us to the house of cards excuse for milking the taxpayer: the bridge fuel argument.

Cellulosic ethanol would be a great next step to pay for the management of healthy forests and reducing forest fires. This goal of reducing forest fires would reduce CO2 emissions and the loss of solar btus that could drive our cars.

Like a million other ideas, this sounds great in theory. But if it is a good idea, we don't need to wait for cellulosic. We can burn wood to displace coal and natural gas to make electricity right now. Why aren't we doing it? Answer: anyone trying to do so will go bankrupt.

I got off my petro addiction - well at lest I'm 85% there. I doubt you are off the petro - am I right?

Again, hate to pop your bubble but when you run the numbers, 70% to 110% of what is in your gas tank came from fossil fuels, 70% if you assume the iffy 1.6 EROI using co-products, 110% if you accept the latest probability analysis from MIT. In addition, your car only gets 21 MPG. So, anyone driving a car with 30% better MPG or driving 30% fewer miles is using the same amount of petro as you, assuming 1.6 EROI, or if you accept the MIT study, pretty much anyone getting 21 MPG and driving the same number of miles is using less petro than you.

We can drive our tractors using biodiesel to harvest the crop

Then why don't you? Can't afford to give up 380 gallons of corn oil for every 40 gallons of soy? Could it be that the only reason farmers don't use ethanol or biodiesel to power their farms instead of petro is because both are too expensive and the losses would eat all profit margins? Source.

I'm going to stop here. Your posts are fantasies of what you want to be true. You are the guy the politicians are buying votes from.


In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

david morris comments

Gristers,

Several people asked if I am reading these thoughtful comments and would respond to them.  I am and I am. I didn't read them until this morning.  Sundays are days away from the computer if I can possibly manage it.

Having jumped in after several dozen comments are already posted, I'm tempted to respond in chronological order, but perhaps a few overall comments might be useful.  

Several people gave a tip of the hat to my organization and me for our other efforts(e.g. anti-big box retail) or our earlier books(e.g. neighborhood power) while taking me to task for one person called my "obsession" with ethanol.  I appreciate the praise but would argue that the same philosophical framework that guides our work on neighborhoods and large retail guides our work on energy.  We believe that most, if not all, the