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Great article on plug-in hybrids

A must-read

Posted by David Roberts at 3:49 PM on 06 Mar 2007

Read more about: electric vehicles | cars | hybrids

Let me most enthusiastically recommend this article in American Scientist on plug-in hybrids. It's by an engineer named Andrew Frank that's been working on hybrids in various incarnations since the early '70s. You green techno-geeks will love it. It's one of the most accessible pieces I've ever read on the history, technology, and challenges of plug-ins.

You really should read the whole thing, but meat of it, for me, is in these three paragraphs toward the end:

Indeed, one of the great advantages of plug-ins (and purely electric cars) is that they can directly use solar- and wind-generated electricity for transportation, a process that is three to four times more efficient than converting such renewable energy to hydrogen for vehicular use. Further, with solar panels or a small wind turbine generating a modest 1 to 2 kilowatts and with the appropriate power-handling electronics, the owner of a plug-in hybrid can have a reliable source of emergency power for his or her home, even when the sun is not shining and the wind is not blowing. In this way, a person can achieve a substantial degree of energy independence.

These features add value to owning a plug-in vehicle, making for an attractive product. The solar panels used to obviate the purchase of gasoline can be paid for with the money that is saved in about five to six years, whereas the panels themselves should last 30 years. This combination thus provides some 25 years of essentially free energy for transportation. Purchasing a plug-in hybrid and a renewable source of electrical energy to charge it thus buffers consumers from volatile energy prices. In addition, these cars could easily be made to burn biofuels (such as ethanol) when they need to run their engines. The widespread adoption of such vehicles would cut down on the net amount of carbon spewed into the air while providing considerable energy independence for the nation as a whole.

Still, car makers are understandably hesitant to bet on plug-in hybrids -- or on any energy-conserving strategy for that matter -- because a drop in fuel prices would cause demand for energy-thrifty cars to dry up. A national energy policy that ensured that fuel prices would undergo a steady, predictable increase would allow the automobile manufacturers to gauge the market with more certainty. But it seems unlikely that the United States would ever follow such a course. The politically likely alternative is to allow the price of energy to fluctuate drastically and to let the auto industry try to make the best guesses it can about what people will want to buy. Although this energy policy (or rather nonpolicy) can lead to poor business decisions, it should make plug-in hybrids attractive to some forward-looking consumers, who will seek energy independence wherever they can find it.

URGE2, baby.

URGE2 indeed.

Price of gas will be largely irrelevant to purchasers of these cars. The race is on to own a car that can get the most from a tank of gas. Saving the planet will be a side effect.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world
Well I do know one thing

Indeed, one of the great advantages of plug-ins (and purely electric cars) use electricity three to four times more efficiently than converting such energy to hydrogen for vehicular use.

Well, I do know Hydrogen is stupid.
Thats been proven.

I also do know that mechanical hydraulic hybrids apparently have a lot of maintence issues that I wasn't previously aware of.

What I'm not sure about is whether PHEVs would be the next best step.

However I do know that fully electric vehicles are the correct end-goal.

Question is, whats the best way to get there.

Or rather more fundamentally.
What is the best way to promote advances is high density batteries.

-David Ahlport

maintenance

I also do know that mechanical hydraulic hybrids apparently have a lot of maintence issues that I wasn't previously aware of.

Like what?  I've heard alot of speculation that they would have worse maintenance problems, but very little suggesting that they actually do.  Of course, when there is a problem, you're probably stuck going to the dealer.  So maintenance will be expensive, when it is required.

Well

Put it this way, I went to a presentation today at EPRI in Silicon Valley about PHEVs.

Overheard some discussion about the hydraulic hybrids, and the topic of hydraulic came up.

One of the other guys was a member of BEA systems, and he was commenting on how the hydraulic hybrids first off, leak hydraulic fluid.
And that he's been concerned that the EPA's hype of hydraulic hybrids is exaggerated.
Mentioning that the only things which would make any effective use of hydraulic power would be vehicles like dumptrucks, which use it for more than just mobility.

Where as he went off to explain a bunch of complicated stuff about hybridization in military vehicles. Railway train hybrids and other heavy duty hybrid stuff.
_

So I guess I don't KNOW hydraulic hybrids are all that big an issue.

However if basic engineering principles say anything.  Something which has higher wear and tear, tends to have more maintanence needed.

_

Add all this to the next claim by Toyota, saying they plan to get 94mpg from switching the Prius from NiMH to Li-Ion.
A more than double improvement in mpg.

_

So I guess technically I don't know.

-David Ahlport

I guess the other half is

I don't see how they could get much better.

Where as batteries will progressivly get smaller and lighter.

_

What I'm clueless about however is how the economics play out.

And if they are very much in hydraulic's favor,
The maintanence might not matter.

_

However I'd imagine something that is large and size limited won't make much headway in light duty vehicles.

So atleast for light duty vehicles, the point is moot.

-David Ahlport

oh, doh

Sorry, I didn't read your original post closely enough.  Hydraulic hybrids.  Right.  I can definitely see the potential for serious maintenance issues there.

taxes

Given that much of our public roadway infrastructure is paid for with fuel tax revenue, you would think the libertarian-types would be jumping all over themselves to obtain fuel-efficient vehicles, simply for tax-avoidance purposes. Instead, it is the lefty crowd with the reputation for being "priussy".

Hmmm.

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