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Greens need to learn how to celebrate their friends and their movement

Posted by David Roberts at 7:49 AM on 02 Dec 2007

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I've run into a lot of sentiment along the lines of this comment thread -- harumphing about how weak and insufficient the impending energy bill is -- and it seems crazy and wrongheaded to me.

I urge you to check out this post by Josh Dorner on the post-2000 history of energy bill negotiations. Remember what it's been like.

Since I started at Grist, I've been writing about a Republican president and Congress trying over and over again to pass energy legislation focused on drilling, mining, and doling out subsidies. Their greed and overreach were such that they bungled it again and again, until the 2005 Energy Act, which was a slightly scaled down version of the same old thing.

That act was part and parcel of what energy policy has been in this country more or less since Ronald Reagan walked in the White House: a monomaniacal focus on extraction and supply coupled with generous corporate welfare.

In just over a year, Democrats, with a small majority in the House and a knife-edge margin in the Senate, have pulled together an energy bill that contains:

  1. The first CAFE boost since 1975. Even if you don't think CAFE is crucial energy policy (I don't), it ain't nothing, and it is of extraordinary symbolic significance. It's going to be the headline.
  2. A 15% Renewable Energy Standard -- a clear statement of support for a new energy direction, echoing and amplifying state-level efforts.
  3. Billions in subsidies for clean energy.
  4. Boosted energy efficiency and green building standards.
  5. Yes, yes, a massive, horrendous boost in biofuels, but even on that front there are environmental safeguards attached that were absent in early negotiations.

Nancy Pelosi
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Photo: speaker.gov.

The distance between this bill and where were were a year ago is remarkable. And it is a credit to the leadership.

If you're determined to think that all politicians are craven simps, go ahead, but it's hard for me to see what would count of evidence of boldness and commitment on Nancy Pelosi's part if this doesn't.

Don't think she's been tiptoeing around. Sen. Pete Domenici, the ranking Republican on the Senate Energy Committee, is so pissed off at her he's pulling out of the energy bill process. He'd gotten the impression that the RES (aka RPS) was off the table, but Pelosi's pushed it back on. Says the irritated and possibly soon to be steamrolled Domenici:

RPS may not be the only deviation from the negotiated bill text, as the Speaker appears willing to take advantage of the lack of a formal conference committee process and institute other changes in the bill as she sees fit. 

You'll recall that when they were in control, Republican leadership regularly pulled procedural shenanigans that made this look like patty cakes. But still, Pelosi isn't playing by Queensbury Rules. She's throwing elbows.

It wasn't just leading Republicans Pelosi had to outmaneuver. As this NYT story makes clear, she's also gone head to head with Rep. John Dingell, one of the most powerful committee chairs in recent history, and pulled him in line:

Mr. Dingell said that all sides had compromised to get a good deal on the energy bill, and he took credit for safeguarding the interests of the auto industry. In a telephone interview, he praised Ms. Pelosi and said his disagreements with her had been useful.

...

Outside observers, however, said Mr. Dingell had capitulated after realizing he could not win, especially given high oil prices. "The speaker basically took him on and won," said Dan Becker, an environmental consultant.

Pelosi's been fighting hard and smart, and she's done so out of what everyone who knows her describes as a genuine passion for renewable energy.

Please explain to me why the first reaction to this should be grumbling about how it's not enough. What kind of political message does that send? What incentive does that give anyone to follow Pelosi out onto this limb?

You know what nobody likes? Nobody likes people who do nothing but judge and condemn and enforce in-group purity and piss on everyone's shoes, including their friends' shoes. Nobody wants to make any effort to please those people. Nobody even wants to get stuck in an elevator with them.

Of course this bill is not enough. Nothing will ever be enough, I guarantee you. But it's a victory, and you know what people do like? People like winning. They like being on the winning team. They like winners. They want to hang around the winners, and act like them, and date them, and name drop them.

So please, take a moment for some strutting. Take strength from this victory, and give strength. Hand out some props for a job well done. Make politicians feel like there's social and political capital to be gained by going green -- if you do that, they'll be back for more.

The arc of history is bending in our direction. Celebrate it. Tell everyone you know about it. Tell them about this:

Robespierre will come for you next



Doom-and-gloom over victories

Well put David. A few things about the environmentalist community:

We as a group are idealistic, and sometimes this gets in the way of action. While there is something positive to be said for people who are completely committed to a cause, having an ideologically pure movement is no replacement for effective action. The right-wing spin machine portrays enviros as holier-than-thou to an extent that is out of touch with reality, but there is a grain of truth to this spin. Lets not fall into our opponents trap.  

In the US the environmentalist community has had stunning success. In the span of 25 years we went from having virtually no environmental protection to the most extensive and effective environmental regulations in the world. Our success has made us spoiled and complacent. These victories were hard won and at the time our opponents were not really fighting back. Now they are, and this means it will be harder to get legislation passed and there will be no perfect bills.

We often forget that not everyone is an environmentalist. Just because all the enviros want to do something does not mean everyone else wants to do it too. Getting climate change bills passed will require broad based coalitions with people who are outside the environmentalist community. They might not want everything the enviros want, so sometimes compromises must be made for the sake of progress.

Billions in subsidies for clean energy...

I agree with your assessment David.  And, given a lack of viable alternatives anytime in the near future, I sincerely hope this bill passes.

On a minor note, I thought the subsidies for clean energy (solar and wind) had been cut (I hope not, but that's what I thought I heard)?

Oh well, even if they were, the 15% standard should ensure enough investment so that the industry continues to grow at a fairly rapid pace.

Inspirational video

Thanks, Dave.  I feel inspired - maybe I'll send a thank you note to Nancy Pelosi.

Sufficient?

Dave, terms like sufficiency for climate chnage solutions are meaningless unless they're scaled against the scientific understanding of the problem.  I don't quite see that happening here.  On the plus side, I suspect we're looking at a veto and the chance for a much-improved bill next year.  OTOH I'm sure that whatever can be passed then will still fall short.  :(

I say that because, as you will have heard climate scientists mention from time to time, the "unknowns" in the science are distinctly tilted toward the bad news.  Today we have a prime example of that:

"Widening of the tropical belt in a changing climate"

Abstract: "Some of the earliest unequivocal signs of climate change have been the warming of the air and ocean, thawing of land and melting of ice in the Arctic. But recent studies are showing that the tropics are also changing. Several lines of evidence show that over the past few decades the tropical belt has expanded. This expansion has potentially important implications for subtropical societies and may lead to profound changes in the global climate system. Most importantly, poleward movement of large-scale atmospheric circulation systems, such as jet streams and storm tracks, could result in shifts in precipitation patterns affecting natural ecosystems, agriculture, and water resources. The implications of the expansion for stratospheric circulation and the distribution of ozone in the atmosphere are as yet poorly understood. The observed recent rate of expansion is greater than climate model projections of expansion over the twenty-first century, which suggests that there is still much to be learned about this aspect of global climate change."

Recall that it has taken very little in the way of accumulated anthropogenic forcing to have this result.  If we double pre-industrial CO2 levels by 2050, as seems likely, or even if we manage to stick to Jim Hansen's new limit of 450 ppm, that's a much larger extra push to the system.  Look for larger and nastier surprises.

The Australians at least seem to have figured out what this latest change means.  OTOH I don't see them proposing sharp cutbacks in coal production.

 

Steve, if everyone agreed with you

there would be no problem

not everyone agrees

now what?

Also, do not be too sure about furure supermajorities.  more rare and fleeting than you might think

Greens Are the Problem


The problem right now are all the Greens and enviros who are standing in the way of progress.

Suppose Al Gore had simply faded away instead of causing all his hullabaloo.   The results would still be the same: technology working to decrease Co2, increase efficiency and get us to next generation transportation and fuels.   But that has been in the works for decades, and is coming, barely, to fruition right now.

The "Green Revolution" is being made by businessmen and engineers, not by bloggers and diatribes.

Texeme.Construct(function(x)=Participation(x))

Too bad about the science.

Just lets be very clear. As a political operation the pending legislation is an parallel success beating back some very stiff opposition to get movement in a positive direction. There's just a teeny-weeny problem.

It's just a tick better than doing nothing at all.

The science, the observable data and consistent hypothesis and theories, says the atmosphere is heating at an accelerating rate. A rate so fast right now that the current "worst case scenario" models are understating the effects of global warming as shown by last summers unprecedented retreat of arctic sea ice by 40 years.

More ominously the permafrost of the Siberian and Canadian arctic is melting releasing methane that has been trapped in ice for a very, very, long time. This will undoubtedly accelerate the rate of change still more as there is more biologically available carbon in the permafrost than all the coal and oil burned to date.

So the proposed laws aren't even going to slow the growth in the rate of climate change.

Any pretense that these bills are anything but a political stopgap until tougher, more extensive measures can be enacted should be abandoned. Really we should be on a worldwide crash course to completely halt the release of fossil fuel carbon as well as another crash program to secure the excess carbon already in the atmosphere.

Because this is no cause for celebration. It's a farce. A powder puff artillery. A duct tape brigade on the Titanic. A water pistol in San Diego. A colander in New Orleans. A crushed glass kindergarten.

Just a little reminder. Look at the Arctic Ice anomaly graph here.  Notice all the way to the right how radically different the current graph is even compared to 2000.

Another reminder. Meltwater "ponds" on the surface of Greenlands glaciers. This was unthinkable 50 years ago.

Put the Carbon Back

Pissin' Up Here Boss!

Let's see who gets to write the rules for CAFE.  I'll bet it remains in the hands of NHTSA (the auto industry).  This is why Dingell "compromised".  If the future reflects the present, the 35 mpg "standard" will in reality be something more like 25 to 30 mpg.  
When the price of gas gets to $5.00 per gallon the people will finally get a CAFE standard that has some real significance.  It is sad that Pelosi has characterized CAFE as the cornerstone of this bill.  

I did write a letter to my senators yesterday requesting that they remove the loopholes in CAFE, especially the egregious Flex Fuel Vehicle loophole.  Not likely that Durbin and Obama, both big corn ethanol proponents, will pay any heed. When you have to cheat to promote your fuel ... you are doing it the Washington way.

Yellow streams in celebration,
Lou

Energy legislation

While it has remained somewhat under the radar, there is a strong effort by Senator Pete Domenici (R-NM) to push for much more taxpayer support for nuclear power.  He not only wants to remove congressional authority to set a cap on multi-billion dollar nuclear loan guarantees (allegedly for "innovative" technologies," but he also wants nuclear to have a huge amount -- $25 billion a year -- dedicated to a mature industry that can't compete in the marketplace.  While his provision may not appear in the energy bill, it is a very good bet that he will try to get $25 billion in nuclear loan guarantees in the Energy & Water Appropriations bill now being negotiated.  Voices need to be raised and congressional offices contacted.

From one of the harumpers.

Let me brush aside the clouds of pessimism and doom that surround my worried brow. You see, I am one of those strange souls who operate with two entirely different mentalities inside my head. Intellectually I think we are screwed. But that is perfectly useless in real life, so I set it aside and work in the practical world.

While harumping away on Grist, I been out there humping for precisely what I am denouncing. Functional schizophrenia.

Its a beautiful thing.

Randy Cunningham.

Randy Cunningham

Pangolin is right and wrong

More definitely needs to be done.

But it must be done by increments.  Otherwise, it will not happen.

Be careful of angry or pretentious rhetoric because it gets in the way -- even when you are right.  If the public gets the idea that you scorn them, then they will label you and scorn you.

A year ago, few believed political action was necessary or likely.  Now, a consensus is being built that something must be done.

The science news will be relentlessly bad.  The consensus can be built upon for more action.

But watch out for the economic counter-arguments.  Especially if a recession hits.  People who feel at economic risk get humiliated and angry, and susceptible to demogoguery.  Don't let them blame the Greens.

It will be a political tightrope to build toward effective action for years to come.

Keep pushing hard, but be nice.

Well done, now let's tackle overfishing

Climate change may well be the biggest challenge humans have ever faced but overfishing and the general abuse of our oceans comes a close second. Whilst great strides have been made with climate change, endangered wild marine animals are still slaughtered in their millions, killing 2/3rds of the world's ecosystems. Both these immense challenges should be tackled with equal tenacity.

http://www.blueplanetsociety.org


I agree about overfishing

what is the plan?

any legislation pending?

Plans

The good news is that the awareness regarding sustainable fishing is moving in the right direction. However, quotas for endangered stocks are still ridiculously optimistic and Govt's are still too scared of taking the action needed to regulate their fishing industries as they fear a backlash from these communities.
As with most campaigns the momentum needs to come from people, people choosing not to eat non-sustainable seafood, and people telling their Govt's that action regarding marine reserves is a vote and economic winner.
A wholesale change of heart regards our oceans wildlife, such as happened with land conservation in the 1960's may just save our oceans from turning into ecological deserts.

Sure DR

It's some progress.

But wasn't Dingell proposing carbon taxes (on fuel) in order to kill the environmental movement a while back?  The green side wants to raise your taxes (no new taxes ever!) so unelect every green candidate.  I think that was his strategery.

So now he pretends to be dragged kicking and screaming into higher CAFE standards?  I can hear the propaganda already, greens are killing our auto industry.

We could celebrate, but it better be a celebration of the trend rather than the actual acomplishments.  

The worst president in history, he started a war he can't finish so intends to pass it on to the next president.  Democrats take over congress because of this, and we get an energy policy loaded with subsidies for agribizz, clean coal, oil and gas, and even nukes.  With a few bones thrown to renewables and conservation.

Still the trend away from the status quo is a reason to be hopefull.  We can celebrate because subsidies for renewables were not eliminated completely.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

amazingdrx has it pegged



Now we can celebrate ce

Now where's Greta?

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/11/30/12449/665/#co ...

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/11/19/02938/435/#6

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

Is anyone here an ex-cheerleader?

Or a current one, for that matter? I feel like we need pro-Pelosi cheers to start circulating. Progress on the energy bill has been a real triumph for a party that's been in-fighting and demoralized for too long. The political right has long been more powerful because they present, correctly, a unified front. It's wonderful that the left is beginning to  do the same, galvanized by such an urgent issue. My hope is that the move towards renewable energy will continue to pick up political steam and, as it's been doing in fits and starts, finally become nonpartisan. Woo-hoo progress!

Editor, www.getsolar.com
what is the best choice?

We can complain about this new bill, but does this bill really matter that much.   I wonder how many percent of global warming this thing would be, 0.001 percent maybe?

Much of what needs to be done is to convince more people to drive the more fuel efficient vehicles.  

The next levels of transportation efficiency needs to be pursued, plug-ins with electricity from non-carbon sources.

Is there a trade off in what type of vehicle car companies should be trying to make?  Should car companies entire research and development money go to making new gasoline standards or for more research into plug-ins?

It might make more sense go directly to plug-ins than working on some intermediate fuel milages.


Feeling good about environmentalists? Not.

I will overlook the subtle cheerleading for the Democrats and Nancy Pelosi. Comparing them to the Republicans is like taking a few drops of poison rather than a tablespoon. Present energy legislation doesn't come close to being commensurate with the huge threat of global warming and the impacts we will feel in short order. Activists aren't here to be a claque for the Democrats or give brownie points for things that both parties ignored for decades. Our role is to be non partisan gadflies, shameless agitators, and above all promoters of Good Science, not appeasers happy with tokenism or what is "feasible". If we don't get really tough laws now, it will be nearly impossible to get them strengthened later because congress will smile, throw up their hands, and say: You want MORE? But we gave you our all. We put ourselves on the line. Come on, lay off us for a while. The Grist commentators who think we just got  goddess gift to humans in a 35 mph AVERAGE fleet fuel efficiency are inhaling something illegal. Trucks and SUVS will still be off the hook, and we all know vehicles can be designed to get over 60 mpg today. Time to stop pandering to Detroit and Dingell, to stop pinning medals on the Democrats, and to stand up for science-based policies and principles. We have nothing to lose from hanging tough..but LOTS to lose by knuckling under to the lowest common denominator on energy policy and global warming. Are we fighters or just part of the Democratic Party brigade?  Too early to celebrate, folks.

Lorna Salzman

Lorna, you do have something to lose

no action

But I do not disagree with your goals.  

It will take many election cycles to build a sufficient progam -- if we can do it then.

You are talking about changing a way of life.  And with that, a culture.  No easy path.

Wait a second

This bill will be vetoed so all the complaining that its not enough is a waste of time and energy.

It is a very good sign of things to come. It looks like the upcoming elections will put more pro-environmental candidates in office (i.e. Democrats), and no matter who is elected president they won't be as anti-environmental as Bush. In the next round the bill will be improved, but the environmentalist community will have to be involved. Sitting on the side lines and complaining that other people aren't dirty hippies is self destructive.

Not over yet...

We don't know for sure that Bush will go through with the veto yet.  They still have time to negotiate before sendin' it to him.  It seems his stickin' points are the RES and the tax increases on oil.  If they took out the tax increases, they still might have a chance.

If they take out the RES...well, then the bill is pretty much worthless, whether he passes it or not.

Major Milestones

Gosh, what a bunch of losers! I guess that nothing is good enough for the wizened environmentaliste (note "e" on end of the word). You have IPPC finally doing something, President Bush thinking about carbon stuff, and some legislative action that could actually fund some needed R&D and implementation. You have more wind turbine projects going up than ever before in history.  Wave machines are going in the water. And you want MORE RIGHT NOW? Eggs in your beer?

Onward through the fog
Meeting My LOW Expectations

"The fleet average for vehicles in the 2020 model year would be set at 35 miles per gallon, versus about 25 miles per gallon for cars and light trucks today. Both numbers, though, come with a familiar caveat: actual mileage may vary.

In fact, the actual performance falls short of the current standard by about 20 percent, as would be true as well of the higher standard if the proposal becomes law.

Manufacturers will be encouraged to keep selling cars that can burn rich mixtures of ethanol with gasoline, even where there is no place to buy it. The compromise phases out the credit for building "flex fuel" cars more slowly than current law does."

 'Calculating Energy Bill's Real Figures'
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/washington/04fuel.html

OK, Mr David Roberts

I will just have you know that this grumpy old harumper just (1) Called my Congressman to support your beautiful bill. (2) Coordinated a letter from the forest organization I am on the board of, to the Ohio Congressional delegation, supporting what you praised.

Not bad for a harumper, eh?

Now let me say I hope we can do much, much better in the future and I sure hope this bill does not make people complacent, nor get in our way in the future.

Harump!

Randy Cunningham

Randy Cunningham

because...

we have just a few years to avoid the worst.  and it's a moral issue (think your very own Holocaust arguments...).

so empty victories are not a basis for celebration...they're wasting time and manufacturing illusions that we're solving the challenge.

like another poster above said, if our solutions are not tied to scientific standards....well, we'll go the way of the other 99% of species to walk, crawl, swim, flagellate the earth.  

our only difference...we'll probably be the first species in the earth's history to document our extinction (or stupendous ignorance of it!).

:)

if Dems were claiming total victory

then you might have a point

but no one is saying that.  to the contrary, most are saying it is a huge problem and will need attention for years

the choice now is half a loaf, or nothing

half a loaf builds some momentum (but leaves much to do)

nothing builds cynicism and avoidance

and true leadership

can paradigm shift.

this incremental action is borne of human inertia and efficiency.  

should we accept a 20% loss of biodiversity by 2100, 30%, or 50%.

should we trade a few hundred or thousand cases of childhood cancer for a few years of incremental momentum, or should we draw a line based in science and strongly advocate for that position?

look at bush & cheney's actions regarding torture...how half-step did they go in renditions, torture and denying habeas corpus?

i won't jump on any soap box about how it's going to take one to five million years for the Earth to replace the biodiversity we're now destroying, or how how 5,000 children a day die due to lack of or dirty water (think one full 747 jetliner crash every hour).  :)  Soooooooo, anyway....it is in concessions and agreeing to process that we will lose, if only because there is a temporal dimension to all of this.

if only we had a hundred years to build that momentum...but hansen et. al have demonstrated otherwise.

it's no different than when the environmental community buys into the argument that solar power "costs" more than conventional power.  in agreeing with that statement (instead of quantifying the costs of lives cut short by air pollution, acid rain over the Adirondacks, mountains lost and communities destroyed in Appalachia, etc..., CO2 emitted), we enable the coal industry to keep extracting and burning, while it is starting to buy more time marketing itself as America's resource, and clean.  check out the recent ads on CNN...

until we decipher and define the honest terms of the debate (e.g., how paul hawken did in "ecology of commerce"...as one example), we will be stuck with these incremental, feel-good momentum building moments, not tied to scientific, quantifiable and verifiable restorative policy and action.

Bravo!

Bravo. Thank goodness for Grist.

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