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News from the Googleplex

Is Google betting on a carbon tax?

Posted by Charles Komanoff (Guest Contributor) at 10:34 AM on 29 Nov 2007

Google Inc. has a new project, "Renewable Energy Cheaper Than Coal." Google is preparing to bet megabucks, mega-engineers, and its cutting-edge reputation on its ability to propel solar thermal power, wind turbines, and other renewable electricity up the innovation curve and under the cost of coal-fired power, Reuters reported Tuesday.

"Our goal is to produce one gigawatt [1,000 megawatts] of renewable energy capacity that is cheaper than coal. We are optimistic this can be done in years, not decades," said Larry Page, Google's cofounder and president of products, according to Reuters.

To which we at the Carbon Tax Center say: Good luck, and don't forget to hire the lobbyists. You're going to need them to help win a carbon tax, because without the tax, your goal of renewable energy cheaper than coal is likely to remain out of reach.

Don't look to "market forces" to jack up the cost of coal-fired power. Unlike the 1970s, when the price of coal marched in lockstep with skyrocketing oil, coal prices are stuck in a proverbial peat bog.

The national average coal price so far this year, $1.77 per million btu, is barely higher in nominal terms (and 40 percent less in real terms) than the 1982-1985 plateau of $1.65. The resource is abundant, mining technology is technically mature (if socially and ecologically devastating), and there's barely a mine workers' union to speak of. The power plants themselves are no harder to build, even with SOx and NOx scrubbers, than my kids' Harry Potter Legos -- they just take a few years longer.

Coal-fired power isn't about to get much more expensive by itself. Are renewables going to get much cheaper? Arguably not -- at least not enough to win Google's bet.

What about electricity from wind, my personal favorite energy-supply source and one for which I've done my share of advocacy?

Wind power has gotten fabulously cheaper over the past two dozen years, as ths DOE cost curve below attests. But the rate of decline has slowed. Past advances -- taller towers to capture higher wind speeds, larger blades to sweep larger areas, gearing to grab every available erg -- appear pretty much tapped out. Further declines in wind costs will be incremental, not quantum. And to compete toe-to-toe with coal as baseload power, wind will need a support system of storage and transmission that will only add to its per-kWh cost.

DOE_wind_power

Photovoltaics have more cost-cutting ahead but are starting from a much higher cost plane. I'm less up to speed on solar thermal power, but I suspect it sits somewhere between wind and PV -- cheaper than PV now, but with less scope for innovation. The bottom line, then, as I see it, is that coal will continue to undercut renewables in cost for the foreseeable future.

Unless a price is put on coal's head.

An average kilowatt-hour from a coal-fired power plant sends two pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere. A megawatt-hour (1,000 kWh) puts up a ton. Charge $10 per ton of CO2 (or $37 per ton of carbon -- precisely what we at the Carbon Tax Center recommend as the yearly increase in a phased-in tax) and you lift the price-per-coal-fired kilowatt-hour by one cent. If the gap between wind power (sans the federal Production Tax Credit) and coal power is conservatively put at four cents/kWh, then $40/ton of CO2 ought to give Google its Holy Grail.

There's already a couple of carbon tax bills rattling around the House Ways & Means Committee. The Larson bill (that's John B. Larson of Connecticut, a member of the Democratic leadership) calls for $15/ton of CO2 starting in 2008, with the level increasing by 10 percent annually along with an additional inflation-offsetting adjustment. That could bring wind halfway to parity with coal in just a few years.

Hiring genius engineers and pouring its coffers into renewables are terrific moves for Google. But nothing beats getting the prices right. Earth to Google: start pulling for a carbon tax.

What does Google know?

I support James Hansen's advocacy for a price on carbon and a shut down of coal.  

I do not know much about wind nor eSolar, but I do know that sunlight is cheaper than coal.  And collecting solar energy is cheaper than burning coal...  unless you're in a place where the sun does not shine.  

$100 solar thermal will deliver, depending on climate, 0.5 to 1.3 barrels of oil equivalent steam heat per year for at least 25 years.  Do the math.

at least they know how cheap to make it

"We think we need to get in the range of 1 to 3 cents per kilowatt hour to be cheaper than coal,"

from the guy at google who is going to run the renewable project.

Lotsa luck.

Gobble, Heel Thyself


It's great that Google Geniuses want to nose into every technology and make it green...except when it comes to their own!

Boolean search is the slash and burn of knowledge retrieval.

Google's global tentacles turn web sites into monocultural knowledgebases.

I think a mesh approach of individuals using labor intensive hyperlinks are far more green than the knowli-business of Google.

the cost of coal

This article assumes that putting a price on carbon emissions is the only way to level the playing field so that renewables can compete. But in fact CO2 is only one of the costs of coal-burning currently being externalized. The province of Ontario chose to shut down its already existing coal plants because they calculated they would save more in healthcare costs (paid by the government there) than it would cost. This takes into account SOx and NOx and such, but probably did not consider the problems of coal ash disposal, leaching into water supplies. Certainly it did not consider CO2 emissions. It also certainly didn't consider any of the damage of coal mining (Ontario has no coal mines) These include devastation of the land in strip mining, acid mine drainage in underground mining, black lung in underground miners and white lung in surface miners. Here in WV, Ohio Valley Environmental Coalition and others just won a legal victory against mountaintop removal valley fills, which may end up changing practices.
So there is a possibility of OTHER externalized costs of coal coming home to roost where they belong, and driving up the artificially low cost of coal-fired electricity, in addition to the GHG issue. Admittedly the global climate change issue is the likeliest to make change soon--but activists on this issue have allies in the coal producing regions.

I think Komanoff has it spot on

The fastest surest route to Google's result would be for them to spend most of their two billion dollars on lobbying for a carbon tax of, say, $50 per tonne levied on all fossil fuels.

death and taxes

All this talk about taxing a cheap form of energy so greener technologies can compete is great, but has anyone stopped to think about the majority of the population who barely makes enough money to get by as it is? Who do you think will have to absorb the increase in price? It all looks good on paper but as history has proven there is a tipping point. I believe we are starting to see this now with the rising cost of energy being pass on to the consumer who now has to decide whether to pay the mortgage or the heating bill. I know lets pull back within our borders and use the war money to subsidize green energy! No more senseless killing just peace and prosperity.

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