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'Vineland was full of grapes'


Posted by Coby Beck (Guest Contributor) at 8:53 AM on 18 Dec 2006

(Part of the How to Talk to a Global Warming Skeptic guide)

Objection: Newfoundland was so warm in the Medieval Warm Period that when the Vikings landed they called it Vineland and brought boatloads of grapes back to Europe.

Answer: Once again: you can't draw conclusions about global climate from an anecdote about a single region, or even a few regions. You need detailed analysis of proxy climate indicators from around the world. These proxy reconstructions have shown that the Medieval Warm Period (around the time the Vikings are said to have discovered North America) was not as pronounced or as warm as today's warmth. From NOAA's paleoclimate website comes these quotes:

What records that do exist show that there was no multi-century periods when global or hemispheric temperatures were the same or warmer than in the 20th century ....

... In summary, it appears that the 20th century, and in particular the late 20th century, is likely the warmest the Earth has seen in at least 1200 years.

As for the specific anecdote that Vineland was a warm land where grapes grew wild: as with the Greenland story, Vineland's name was most likely a kind of marketing ploy. This 1988 article by Robert McGhee for Canadian Geographic had this to say:

There has been much argument over the location of Vinland, with scholars and local enthusiasts placing it anywhere between Labrador and Florida, and even in the Great Lakes or the Mississippi Valley. The geographical descriptions in the Norse sagas are too vague to allow certain placement on a modern map, but there is growing consensus that they best fit Newfoundland and Labrador (formerly Newfoundland). The main problem with a Newfoundland and Labrador (formerly Newfoundland) site is the absence of wild grapes. Still, there is a strong suspicion that what Leif found were only berries, and that he followed the practice of his father in "giving a land a good name so that men would want to go there".

(That comes from this page, which has lots of good resources on the Viking expansion.)

So, grapes growing in Newfoundland: paleoclimate's smoking gun, or medieval marketing ploy? You decide.

Vinland grapes

Hi:
I am a Canadian historian who has been interested for years in the Vinland grapes story. I don't have the Sagas in front of me, so I do this from memory.

There are problems with the Sagas' account. When they landed in North America, the Vikings did not know what grapes looked like. A German who happened to be with them identified "wild grapes" at the place they landed. The only certain archeological Viking remains are at L'Anse aux Meadows at the northern tip of Newfoundland. It is impossible to say for certain if that was the location of "Vinland" or "Wineland" or "Leif's settlement," but it seems to me to be likely. However, if the Sagas' account of the times of the solistice at Vinland are correct, the place was not that far north.

When I finally got around to visiting L'Anse aux Meadows (a beautiful place) a few years ago, one thing that struck me was the enormous variety and profusion of berries in that part of the world. Some of them resemble grapes. Many of them are very tasty. I am no winemaker, but I suppose you could make wine from any of them.

In any case, I don't think Leif the Lucky named Vinland as a marketing ploy. I think he mistook wild berries for grapes. But that is just my guess. No-one knows for sure.

Best,

Bob Beal.

thanks Bob

Thanks Bob, good point, honest mistakes happen!

"What if this weren't a hypothetical question?" -- unknown
Good one

I liked this post a lot, it was well written. The grapes in Newfoundand was probably a marketing ploy or something close to that.

Anne. Freelancer currently working on the lose 50 pounds project.
Vikings Drank Mead Not Wine

I have read another theory that Vinland can also mean Meadowland or Grassland or something like that depending on where you put the accent. The "Vikings" (they never called themselves that) often carried cattle with them on long voyages and would have been more likely to be looking for grass for their cattle and not grapes for wine. Besides, the Scandinavian drink of choice was mead made from honey not wine made from grapes.

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